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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by IAMinyou, Oct 1, 2020.

  1. IAMinyou

    IAMinyou Active Member

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    When you say "I", what does that mean?

    How did you come into being?

    What makes you able to speak?

    Where do your thoughts come from?

    Is your human body like an avatar you play in a simulation game or is it the real deal?

    What is controlling your human body when you're not aware that you're alive which is the time you're sleeping or unconscious for some reason?

    Is your mind more important than your body?
     
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    When I say something assuming God as omnipresent, at that time "I" = just representing myself, nothing more.
    When I say something assuming God NOT omnipresent, at that time "I" = ego, pride.
     
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    That is only if you don't understand how "I " was created a long time ago.
     
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    I have edited the post. Please re-read.
     
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    I think you are only confusing yourself, if you split things up like that. There have been no demonstration that there is a mind without a body, just as there is no thoughts without a brain.

    A body, including our mind is one entity.

    The brain is not "sleeping" in the sense that you experience it during sleep. It is highly active in fact.

    Sleep is important to a number of brain functions, including how nerve cells (neurons) communicate with each other. In fact, your brain and body stay remarkably active while you sleep. Recent findings suggest that sleep plays a housekeeping role that removes toxins in your brain that build up while you are awake.

    Also it is well understood how we come into being, as we all have parents. How the first life form came into being is a bit more complex. Even understanding the process for which complex life can evolve is also very well understood through evolution. Which is the same with the ability to speak, it is not something that just magically appear all of the sudden, but that have developed over million of years. The biggest issue as I see it, is that people can't really comprehend what millions of years actually means. People expect to see huge changes in like 30-50 years or so, because that is a long time for us. But we are talking millions of years here.
     
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    "I" am a conceptual entity. A whole collection of conceptions that exist in the minds of a whole lot of people. All of which, together, form that complex, dynamic "I".

    I was created and am being created by a whole confluence of both physical, circumstantial, and metaphysical phemonological forces. I even get to participate in my own creation, to the extent of my self-awareness.

    Very interesting, all this. Where it goes, though, I do not know.
     
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    "I" is what I am after all that is not me is dropped.

    I am eternal. I have no beginning. I have no end.

    Electrical impulses in the cerebrum.

    The cerebral cortex.

    My human body is an appearance in maya. I am an eternal being having a human experience.

    The medulla.

    Before I answer this, what is it you are referring to as the "mind?"
     
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    Done reading and replying to it.
     
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    Did you get this information from other minds besides your mind? If you did, then you do not understand your own mind and what it is. The minds you have been listening to could be lying to you. Have you ever considered that?
     
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    What do you have left when you remove everything you have been observing since you were birthed into this world from a womb?
     
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    Your answers are confusing because once you drop everything about you to get " I ", means you wouldn't have a brain or body or a world to live in. Your invisible mind is the " I " that was created a long time ago that does not require a brain or body to experience images and thoughts.
     
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    If you're confused, you're free to ask follow-up questions.

    In that case, my answer to your last question is that both are equally as important with regard to having a human experience.

    In addition, I was not created a long time ago. As I understand it, time is a product of maya. I am beyond maya...beyond time.
     
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    I am not the one confused. You're the one who said once you drop everything about yourself, you are the "I " but then you said you need a brain with electrical impulses to speak. Have you ever heard people talk about their "near death experience" where doctors have announced their deaths because of no brain activity and yet the come back to talk about all the experiences they had while dead? It's obvious a brain is not necessary to hear voices or observe images.

    So when you say " I ", what does it actually mean to you? or are you just saying that because you read it somewhere or heard it from someone else's mind?
     
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    That is why we do not simply trust other people's minds, we trust the process in which they arrive at proves that we ourself can then verify should we wish to do so.

    But if we had to go back to square one constantly we would have no progress. Besides that you only have to look out the window, eat a banana or take some medicine to see that this way of doing things work and pushes the human species forward.

    Obviously I can't prove that every single human on Earth is not part of a huge conspiracy to fool me, but if that is the case then I must be a rather special one, for everyone finding it so important to do so. Yet I do not find such scenario very likely, so even spending time considering such thing I find a waste of time.

    If you should follow your own mistrust in other humans, you must be a nervous wreck every time you eat something, take a pill, drive your car, go on a plane etc. Because why would you trust that any of these things weren't made in order to try to kill you, if they are all just out there to lie to you?

    I find such reasoning irrational, because nothing will ever be achieved or good enough with such mindset. Scepticism is good, but if you take it to far it is no longer useful.
     
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    Were they talking while they had not brain activity? One needs a brain to speak.

    Also, were were not discussing hearing or observing. We were talking about speaking. Stop shifting the goal posts.

    I've already answered this in post #7. And I speak from personal experience.
     
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    It obviously depends on the context but it's usually a first person pronoun referring to the speaker themselves.

    When a mummy and a daddy love each other very much... :cool:

    Electrical signals from the brain, muscles in the throat and air from the lungs.

    We wouldn't know if it was a simulation by definition so I don't consider that kind of thing worth worrying about.

    That depends on the specific physical state but generally a combination of underlying brain activity and ongoing physical/chemical activity throughout the body.

    I don't see either mind or body as more important. Neither is much use without the other.
     
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    "I" is like a Cuscuta - Wikipedia
    A plant that has NO roots but still grows around the another plant, its just a mission.

    You can read more about this here: Dodder: No leaves, no roots. Just a mission

    Creator didn't created "I".
    "I" grown-up itself.
     
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    Our Creator found it necessary that " I '' fully understand what I AM. That has finally been accomplished after all these thousands of years since the beginning when the " I " was lost in the minds of those who first walked on Earth. Like you said, most people are not concerned about where they came from but that is because of all the things that keep them from discovering what " I " is.
     
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    First, prove to me that you need a brain to speak. Then tell me what personal experience have you had to discover what " I '' is, the eternal you.
     
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    Your answers tell me that you have not yet discovered what " I " is. I can also say " I AM " meaning the same thing in referring to my created existence which cannot be observed. " I " can only understand anything if I have experiences of some sort so all the experiences that all the minds ( individual " I " ) had and documented in written and spoken form for me to read and see have been the only way for me to learn what " I " means. Now that I fully understand what I AM is, I can share this knowledge with anyone who doesn't clearly understand what it means.
     
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