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Was God ignorant of genetics?

839311

Well-Known Member
We now know that genetics plays a crucial role in determining what kind of people we become. Everything from how we look, to our level of intelligence, to our temperament, our risk of depression, and all kinds of other relevant traits, are all to some degree affected by what our genes are.

When the Abrahamic God decided that he would judge people as being evil, and condemn them to hell, was he aware that an important factor in determining peoples' behaviors are their genes, something they have no control over?

I think a lot of people incorrectly assign all kinds of qualities to God, such as omnipresence, omnipotence, etc. We really have no credible information as to whether or not the God of the bible and koran is even real, let alone whether he has such all-powerful qualities. Maybe his power is a lot more limited - though still very powerful - than a lot of us might think. If that is the case, perhaps God simply had no way of knowing that people have genes because he didn't have the kind of power needed to figure that out - and that these genes may have a lot more to do with what people are like than what they choose to be like? Maybe he thought that people are entirely responsible for their actions, which in turn made it easy for him to judge people? However, if he was ignorant of genetics, at least some - maybe even all - of his judgements would undoubtedly be unjustified.

If God did eventually realize that what humans are like is influenced by genetics, do you think he would stop judging people so easily? Would he be justified in judging people at all considering people may not have enough control over their choices and actions due to their genes to warrant a black or white judgement?
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
I'd say God gave genetics a relatively free reign to do it's work and then He judges people according to their attributes.

A person with 'good' genes is expected to do better in life for example.

and the theory is also that one with 'bad' genes has his work cut out for him, but he can prove his worth by making small steps to please God.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
We now know that genetics plays a crucial role in determining what kind of people we become. Everything from how we look, to our level of intelligence, to our temperament, our risk of depression, and all kinds of other relevant traits, are all to some degree affected by what our genes are.

When the Abrahamic God decided that he would judge people as being evil, and condemn them to hell, was he aware that an important factor in determining peoples' behaviors are their genes, something they have no control over?
If God did eventually realize that what humans are like is influenced by genetics, do you think he would stop judging people so easily? Would he be justified in judging people at all considering people may not have enough control over their choices and actions due to their genes to warrant a black or white judgement?
Shame on you. This one of those issues well bred people don't bring up in polite conversation.
 

839311

Well-Known Member
I'd say God gave genetics a relatively free reign to do it's work and then He judges people according to their attributes.

How come something as important and influential on peoples' behavior as genetics is not mentioned in the bible? Why doesn't Jesus mention it? Did the son of god simply not know of it?

and the theory is also that one with 'bad' genes has his work cut out for him, but he can prove his worth by making small steps to please God.

What if a person murders someone, but its in large part because he has a lot of genes that make him angrier, more depressed, less intelligent, and just make him more or less an unfit, dangerous human being? Does he go to hell?

With regards to Islam, its interesting because the amount of people who go to heaven and hell is 50/50. But, does this nice rounded number account for the influence of genetics? Doesn't seem to. Not that I think the god of the koran would care anyways. The justification in the koran as to why the ratio is 50/50 is rather... worrying. Though, there isn't any possible justification for torturing people forever anyways. I think any justification that people come up with for eternal torment is always hideously immoral.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
We now know that genetics plays a crucial role in determining what kind of people we become. Everything from how we look, to our level of intelligence, to our temperament, our risk of depression, and all kinds of other relevant traits, are all to some degree affected by what our genes are.

When the Abrahamic God decided that he would judge people as being evil, and condemn them to hell, was he aware that an important factor in determining peoples' behaviors are their genes, something they have no control over?

I think a lot of people incorrectly assign all kinds of qualities to God, such as omnipresence, omnipotence, etc. We really have no credible information as to whether or not the God of the bible and koran is even real, let alone whether he has such all-powerful qualities. Maybe his power is a lot more limited - though still very powerful - than a lot of us might think. If that is the case, perhaps God simply had no way of knowing that people have genes because he didn't have the kind of power needed to figure that out - and that these genes may have a lot more to do with what people are like than what they choose to be like? Maybe he thought that people are entirely responsible for their actions, which in turn made it easy for him to judge people? However, if he was ignorant of genetics, at least some - maybe even all - of his judgements would undoubtedly be unjustified.

If God did eventually realize that what humans are like is influenced by genetics, do you think he would stop judging people so easily? Would he be justified in judging people at all considering people may not have enough control over their choices and actions due to their genes to warrant a black or white judgement?

God created genetics. God is all powerful, all knowing, all everything. Don't put the bible over God.

You think that if God existed then everything would be perfect for you from the beginning. It won't.

There is value in slow development, innocence becoming mature. Realize that once you know everything there's nothing more to learn, ever.
 

839311

Well-Known Member
God created genetics.

If that were true, then why did he muck it up as bad as he did? Really poor craftsmanship. It raises a lot of questions, regarding such qualities as his competence or power.

God is all powerful, all knowing, all everything. Don't put the bible over God.

You must get your information about God from a different source then. What is that source?

You think that if God existed then everything would be perfect for you from the beginning.

There are lots of good reasons to think that an all-powerful god would create the perfect life for his creatures, even if that involves a stint on this miserable planet.

There is value in slow development, innocence becoming mature.

I agree. Though, it isn't necessarily the case that other forms of development aren't better, such as being created with all the necessary information already built in to that being's mind.

Realize that once you know everything there's nothing more to learn, ever.

Unless your memory is damaged somehow or erased, then youd have plently more to learn!
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
How come something as important and influential on peoples' behavior as genetics is not mentioned in the bible? Why doesn't Jesus mention it?
It would not have been understood in it's day due to lack of scientific knowledge.

It's also not especially relevant to being at one with God.
What if a person murders someone, but its in large part because he has a lot of genes that make him angrier, more depressed, less intelligent, and just make him more or less an unfit, dangerous human being? Does he go to hell?

Yes.

You can't just use the excuse of 'God made me do it'.
 

839311

Well-Known Member
You can't just use the excuse of 'God made me do it'.

It has nothing to do with excuses.

It has to do with whether or not genetics plays a significant enough role in influencing our behavior so that making a judgement as to whether or not a person is good or evil is practically impossible, or at the least very difficult. Ignoring the influence of genetics on our behavior would be a sure way to screw up numerous judgements and condemn many people who don't deserve that judgement.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
I would say that people who have serious personality problems, such as serial killers for example, have had their DNA altered by Satan or their minds warped by dark forces.
 

nnmartin

Well-Known Member
Ignoring the influence of genetics on our behavior would be a sure way to screw up numerous judgements and condemn many people who don't deserve that judgement.

secular response: I disagree here because the law is the law and just because someone may be disposed to violence the public still needs protection from them; so punishment is needed. (ie: prison)

but please give other examples that are not so clear cut if you want.
 

839311

Well-Known Member
I would say that people who have serious personality problems, such as serial killers for example, have had their DNA altered by Satan or their minds warped by dark forces.

:facepalm:

secular response: I disagree here because the law is the law and just because someone may be disposed to violence the public still needs protection from them; so punishment is needed. (ie: prison)

We're not talking about human societies, we're talking about the afterlife.
Unless you are saying that God doesn't have the power to change our genetics so that we become good beings. Why torture someone forever if you can instead simply alter their genetics, thus turning them into great people? Don't you see how absurd the idea of eternal punishment is if there existed an all-powerful, good God? This is just one of a vast number of ideas within the Abrahamic faith that is ridiculed by others. Save yourself further embarrasment and think seriously as to why you believe the things you do.
 

fishy

Active Member
:facepalm:



We're not talking about human societies, we're talking about the afterlife.
Unless you are saying that God doesn't have the power to change our genetics so that we become good beings. Why torture someone forever if you can instead simply alter their genetics, thus turning them into great people? Don't you see how absurd the idea of eternal punishment is if there existed an all-powerful, good God? This is just one of a vast number of ideas within the Abrahamic faith that is ridiculed by others. Save yourself further embarrasment and think seriously as to why you believe the things you do.
Get real 83, god can't change our genetic structure that would interfere with our free will, besides he made Satan for that purpose. Plausible deniability
 

839311

Well-Known Member
Get real 83

Im the one that should get real? Sigh...

god can't change our genetic structure that would interfere with our free will

Our genetic structure interferes with our free will.

besides he made Satan for that purpose.

You mean you think he created Satan in a direct attempt to mislead and corrupt us? Gee... Thanks God. Im not sure you fully understand what this belief implies. You should think about it.
 

Dubio

Member
Good points 839311. I was thinking of starting kind of a similar thread about an engineer who builds a robot and programs the robot with attributes like greed, envy, voilence, hate, etc.. and then the engineer calls the robot a worthless piece of junk that deserves to be thrown into the fire and needs to repent and reprogram itself.
 

839311

Well-Known Member
Good points 839311. I was thinking of starting kind of a similar thread about an engineer who builds a robot and programs the robot with attributes like greed, envy, voilence, hate, etc.. and then the engineer calls the robot a worthless piece of junk that deserves to be thrown into the fire and needs to repent and reprogram itself.

A useful analogy.

Such beliefs need to be challenged at every turn. Its our responsibility to try to free our fellow brothers and sisters from the shackles of such absurd beliefs.
 
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