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Was Christ a Stoner?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by linwood, Jan 10, 2006.

  1. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    I just ran across this at IIDB.
    Kinda amusing.

     
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  2. Bishka

    Bishka Veteran Member

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    Interesting, but I don't think he was.
     
  3. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Why not?
     
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    Bishka Veteran Member

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    Because I believe that He would never have done anything that He has told us not to do. I take my belief from the D&C 89.
     
  5. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    When did Christ say not to use weed?

    Please define D&C 89 for me.
     
  6. Bishka

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    D&C 89 is the Word of Wisdom(in the LDS scriptures), it's basically like a health code, or a way of living that will make your life more healthy and productive.

    SECTION 89
    1 Word OF WISDOM, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
    2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
    3 Given for a principle with promise, adapted to the capacity of the weak and the weakest of all saintss, who are or can be called saints.
    4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days, I have warned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—
    5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
    6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
    7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
    8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.
    9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.
    10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbsGod hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—
    11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
    12 Yea, flesh also of beasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used sparingly
    13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be used, only in times of winter, or of cold, or famine.
    14 All grain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;
    15 And these hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.
    16 All grain is good for the food of man; as also the fruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—
    17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.
    18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
    19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
    20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
    21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
     
  7. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    It seems to me that Marijuana is specifically ok`d in these edicts.
    Especially how it was supposedly used Biblically.

    I don`t see a problem with it here.


     
  8. Quiddity

    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    What's it matter?
     
  9. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    What does any topic here matter?

    It`s just a discussion, you could contribute if you like.
     
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    MdmSzdWhtGuy Well-Known Member

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    Well, it would explain all the peace and love talk. Frankly the world would likely be a lot better off, if more people did. More weed and less booze, and we likely have a much happier world.

    B.
     
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    Quiddity UndertheInfluenceofGiants

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    This is in the debate section. Not discussion. I have nothing to add, only learn.

    ~Victor
     
  12. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    I post almost exclusively in the debate section regardless of my purpose for a thread.

    I do this because in this forum discussion often turns to debate and I find it beneficial to be able to keep all points of view in one thread.
    I also don`t want someone to decline post their thoughts because they may spur a debate

    Thanks
     
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    linwood Well-Known Member

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    I agree.
     
  14. opensoul7

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    Just for Linwood,
    Genesis 1:12 The earth brought forth grass,Herbs yeilding seed after their kind , and trees bearing fruit , with seed in it ,after their kind; and God saw that it was good.

    I am not going to go through more scriptures so I will let this link do it for me .
    http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm
    debate away.
     
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  15. joeboonda

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    Yeah, I have read that stuff before, as I used to be a Stoner. But, I don't think Jesus was. The book of Revelation, 9:21, 18:23, refers to sorceries in the end times, and the greek word is pharmakea, refering to medicine and magic. In other N.T scripture, Acts 8:11 the greek word for sorcery was magela, which just meant magic. Its in Strong's Concordance, if you wanna check me on it. Now, in Revelation it says even after God begins pouring out his judgements in the Great Tribulation at the end times, people still would not repent of their various sins, sorcery being among them. I take that as abuse of drugs. I don't know that pot falls into that category, or that it does not, just interesting is all.

    Now, If the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit and we are to take care of it, as Corinthians says, and smoking pollutes the lungs, I do not think Jesus would have smoked anything, as he was sinless. He did not accept the pain relief offered on the cross either, and the above article said it would be an oil of anointing that would seep into your skin, and thus make you high. Well, Jesus was God, he did not need any inspiration, He is the light, lol.

    As for God making every herb, etc., people always forget THE FALL, that the whole creation changed, thorns and thistles sprang up and man must work by the sweat of his brow, etc. (see Genesis). So, just like tobacco smoking can cause cancer, and should be avoided, perhaps marijuana should be too.

    Honestly, I do not know if people should use pot, except medicinally or in moderation to relax. Maybe in brownies? lol. I do not now because I try to obey the law, as we should. I believe in moderation and not to judge others, and I think pot should be legal. Romans 14:22b says, "Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth, and Romans 14 the whole thing says don't judge people, and nothing that goes in you is unclean, of itself. Now, that is meat, and drink, and what not, I don't think it means smoking crank, lol.

    But, I think the Holy Spirit will tell you, if you are invovled in something God does not want you involved in. LIke, if you tend to drink too much, it may be something you should avoid. If you really want to please God, I think he will let you know. But I think most things are probably okay in moderation. Many Christians feel that things like magic mushrooms or hallucinogens, which pot is not, is the pharmakea, used to put one into the 'spirit world', and that it is the wrong spirit world. And many classify pot as something just strong enough to get you stoned enough that you are open to influence of demonic forces and such. Some folks are inspired by it, some seem to just become veggies and don't do anything with their lives. Well, I dunno, I do believe that if it is wrong, and I don't think it is, but I may be wrong about that, at least one won't go to Hell for it. The only sin that sends one to Hell is the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which I believe is rejecting the free gift of eternal life God offers us all by simply trusting in Jesus' death on the cross to save us. Okay, I typed too long, bye.
     
  16. linwood

    linwood Well-Known Member

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    Thanks joboonda what you say makes sense although I don`t know if Marijuana is really harmful used as described Biblically.
    They aren`t smoking it but infusing it into annointing oil.

    Thanks for the links opensoul.

    :)
     
  17. opensoul7

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    simple genesis 1:12 then Luke 20:25 end of debate.
    I do not think that Jesus smoked weed , but to use it as linwood describes it is plausible. He was anointed by the woman with the alibaster jar.
     
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    would it really be "weed"?
     
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    Considerin the ancient practice of using cannabis as a medicine and as an intoxicant by the cultures in the East for such a long period in human history I would not be surprised at all. Surprised, that is, that Jesus, if he existed, might have some way been involved with cannabis.

    I think its a great question. Only because I could think of some political questions but I will not raise them here.

    Good food for thought and thanks for the post linwood.
     
  20. ladylazarus

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    Marijuana has been ingested since prehistory. It grows naturally in the area Jesus lived. I would be surprised if he had never been involved with it in some way. It was a very major trade good.
     
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