Was Abraham a muslim?

[Muffled]

How do you know that's not a way of saying "Oh, shut up."?

All religions with holy books do that, though. It seems to be human nature to do so. It seems as though in order to do what God asks them they go by the holy book, and eventually the holy book borders dangerously close to being a God in its own right.

That's the common claim, but Noah obviously wasn't a Muslim in the modern sense, which is what bothers me about using the term "Muslim" to refer to prophets of old. It's.. dishonest, really. Playing semantic games.

Can you elaborate upon why? Perhaps this is not the thread for it. Let me know if you wish to make another one.

Having never won an argument with God, I might agree with you on that one. Sometimes you can just get God to agree because He figures you will learn the hard way. I have had to do that with my children sometimes when they wouldn't listen to reason.

I think it fits in here since the OP is basically about the faith of Abraham. What I am saying is that Judaism is faith based and not text based as many Jews tend to assume. The text is only an extension of the faith and was never meant to replace it. Otherwise why would God keep sending prophets if the text was doing His job for Him? Maybe those who tend to ignore the prophets and center on the law are Moi****es in the same way that Muslims can be Mohammedans and Christains can be Sola Scripturians.

 

[jtartar]

Hi,

I read in the preface of an English translation of the Koran that said that the Koran itself repeatedly says that the religion Abraham had was the true religion.

The Bible shows that Abraham worshipped the God of the Jews, ie Jehovah or Yaweh. Does that mean Allah is Jehovah? And does that make Abraham a Muslim? Or by extension would that make the Jews Muslims?

Youtellme,
Abraham was a Hebrew. Jehovah picked Abraham to be the line of descendents that would produce the Messiah, who turned out to be Jesus, Gen 12:1. The Christ in Greek. God promised Abraham that HE would cause all the nations to bless Abraham, Gen 22:18. God promised Isaac and Jacob tha same, Gen 26:1-5, Gen 28:13-15.
The line that produced Jesus was Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob whose twelve sons became the originators of the Twelve tribes of Israel, Gen 49:1-28
Gen 49:10 tells us that the ruler would come through the tribe of Judah. Jesus was from the tribe of Judah, Heb 7:14. Jesus was born a Jew, descended from Abraham, Gal 4:4. Only Jews, Israel were under the Law of Moses, Deut 5:1-3.
All three major religions originally came from, what they call their father, Abraham, Judaism. Islam, and Christianity. Only the remnant of Jews recognized Jesus as the Messiah, in spite of all the miracles that he produced, so only the remnant would be saved from all of the Jews, Rom 9:27, 11:5. The Jews rejected Jesus as the Son of God and the Messiah, so the nation, as a whole were left by God and God began favoring the Christians, who became SPIRITUAL JEWS, Rom 2:28,29. The ones who had faith in Jesus became God's favored nation, 1Pet 2:4-9.
The Muslims believe that ALLAH is the supreme god and that Mohammed is their messiah. As the God of the Bible says, Allah is a non-existent god, Jere 10:10,11, 14,15. God Jehovah says that He is going to destroy all other gods and the people who worship these non-existent gods, Ps 115:1-8.
Only the True God Jehovah says that He created the heavens and the earth, and all things in them. Jehovah says that He is the source of all life, Ps 36:9., John 17:3. There is only ONE True God.
No other God tells why mankind is in the trouble he is in, Rom 5:12,and no other god tells about what God's purpose is for the earth. Jehovah does, Rev 21:3-5, Isa 45:18, Ps 37:29, 9-11,34, Prov 2:21,22. Remember what Jesus told the evil-doer that died beside Jesus, Luke 23:43. Jesus said that he would be with Jesus in paradise. This would be on earth, because this evildoer was not a righteous man, John 5:28,29, Acts 24:15.

 

[kai]

Hi,

I read in the preface of an English translation of the Koran that said that the Koran itself repeatedly says that the religion Abraham had was the true religion.

The Bible shows that Abraham worshipped the God of the Jews, ie Jehovah or Yaweh. Does that mean Allah is Jehovah? And does that make Abraham a Muslim? Or by extension would that make the Jews Muslims?

That Abraham in the bible is that the same Abraham that went to mecca and built the kaaba? and fathered the Arabs ? and threw down the idols in the kaaba that were being worshipped by Arabs --no it couldnt have been Arabs because he fathered them. ---i am confused??????

 

[aymen amir]

[ IMO the Qu'ran does not support the Doctrine of the Trinity (Neither does the Bible) but it does suppport the concept of the Trinity.[/B]

Am a bit confused with this post ..... are you saying that the trinity concept doesn't have any reference in religious texts ???

 

[Youtellme]

Am a bit confused with this post ..... are you saying that the trinity concept doesn't have any reference in religious texts ???

Sorry, don't want to answer for him but my thuoghts are that there may be implied references but no explicit teaching. And something as important as God's identity surely wouldn't be vague.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well the Trinity isn't found in the Bible at all. Neither is God the Son. The idea of God being a plurality or collective exists in the Bible, mostly in the Old Testament, but it never says it's the Trinity. The New Testament doesn't teach Jesus is God, and mentions nothing about elohim and "We/Us" like the Old Testament does.

 

[Pegg]

Thanks for the research. However, if Allah is Jehovah, then is the Quran God's word, as it claims to be? Could it be that God recognised that Christianity had slipped away from true worship by Muhammed's day, which teachings such as the Trinity etc, so that he felt the need to send one final Prophet to warn man of his error?

think about this

In Jesus day, the jewish priests had deviated from their hebrew scriptures so much that Jesus called them hypocrites...but he never claimed their scriptures to be false...he never believed their their unfaithfulness meant that the scriptures were in doubt.

Nor did Jesus create a new set of scriptures for the Jews to replace the Hebrew scriptures.
What Jesus did was teach their own scriptures to them and explain them in truth.

If Mohammad was sent by God, then surely thats what he would have been instructed to do because why would God believe the words of his previous prophets were no longer true just because the Jews of Jesus day had deviated from teaching them correctly?

 

[gnostic]

That Abraham in the bible is that the same Abraham that went to mecca and built the kaaba? and fathered the Arabs ? and threw down the idols in the kaaba that were being worshipped by Arabs --no it couldnt have been Arabs because he fathered them. ---i am confused??????

The irony and contradiction of Muslims' belief, never cease to amaze me.