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Featured Was Abraham a Jew ?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Neuropteron, Jul 9, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Veteran Member

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    For several hours you have claimed Abraham's FATHER was Eber.

    There are five Ebers mentioned in the Bible: The father of Peleg and the son of Shelah, son of Arpachshad, third son of Shem, son of Noah (Genesis 10:24). In the Lucan genealogy of Christ he is called Eber (Εβερ) in Greek , but some translations transliterate this as Heber, which has nothing to do with the name Heber in Hebrew.
     
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    The Bible says Abraham's father was Terah.
     
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    Because YOU are still wrong. Abraham's father was Terah NOT Eber. Can you find Eber on a map?
     
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    You just showed in that diagram that Abraham had a father named Eber. That is the Eber whose name comes Hebrew. Abraham was a Hebrew.
     
  5. Neutral Name

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    Genesis 2:7 God formed Adam then made Eve from Adam's rib.
    Genesis 4 Adam had three sons.
    Genesis 5 One was Seth. Seth had children who had children who had children until Noah was born.
    Genesis 5 Noah became the father of Shem, Ham and Japheth.
    Genesis 9:26 He also said, “Praise be to the Lord, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem."
    Canaan was present-day Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Isra el. Solomon ruled this territory.
    Genesis 10 Shem had sons and daughters.
    Genesis 11 Shem's sons and daughters had children who had children who had children until Abram was born.
    Genesis 17:5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations.
    Abraham is the father of the three Abrahamic religions Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Judaism because it is written in the Old Testament. Islam because Muslims also believe that Abraham was their father. Chrisitanity is because Jesus was Jewish.
    So, Abraham is the father of the Jewish and Islamic religions and, by way of Jesus, Christianity.

    Many more generations of Hebrew children were born unti there were 12 tribes of Isreal.
    Genesis 49 Jacob had 12 sons. They were the fathers of the 12 tribes of Isreal.
    Deuteronomy 33:6–25 lists the twelve tribes who were the 12 sons. Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Benjamin and Joseph including Ephraim and Manasseh.
    1 Kings 12 Later the tribes split into Judah and Isreal. Ten tribes were in Israel and 2 Tribes in Judah.
    The King of Judah was Rehoboam.
    1 Kings 12:21 When Rehoboam arrived in Jerusalem, he mustered all Judah and the tribe of Benjamin—a hundred and eighty thousand able young men—to go to war against Israel and to regain the kingdom for Rehoboam son of Solomon.

    1 Kings 12:22 But this word of God came to Shemaiah the man of God:
    23 “Say to Rehoboam son of Solomon king of Judah, to all Judah and Benjamin, and to the rest of the people,
    24 ‘This is what the Lord says: Do not go up to fight against your brothers, the Israelites. Go home, every one of you, for this is my doing.’” So they obeyed the word of the Lord and went home again, as the Lord had ordered.
    This reiterates that they were the same people, just divided because of differences of opinion. I can explain more if anyone cares.
     
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    Can you read the chart? Abraham's father was Terah. His grandfather was Serug. Hs great grandfather was Reu.

    Eber or Heber has NOTHING to do with "Hebrew"...
     
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    Your answer is absolutely accurate.
     
  8. sooda

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    There were no Jews until Judah.
     
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    It wouldn't exclude Abraham because the Jews are his descendants. Abraham was a hebrew, some of his descendents then became Israelites who were chosen by God to be his people, and eventually the tribe of Judah were referred to as Jews and the name eventually evolved to refer to all the Israelites. Judaism is named after them.

    The reason why Christians, not only JW's, say that Muhammed couldn't be a prophet was because the covenants were passed on through Isaac, not Ishmael. So God narrows down who of Abrahams descendents will inherit the covenants over generations. But the reason why Muhammed couldn't be a prophet is because he doesn't confirm the previous scriptures and he nullifies the Law of the Christ going against the teachings of Christianity.

    That would be part of the Christian viewpoint.
     
  10. LightofTruth

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    Considered by many, Eber comes Hebrew!


    ‛ibrı̂y
    ib-ree'
    Patronymic from H5677; an Eberite (that is, Hebrew) or descendant of Eber: - Hebrew (-ess, woman).
    Total KJV occurrences: 34
     
  11. dybmh

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    You are misinterpreting their quotes. Will you please re-read them.

    Their point is valid. In your enthusiasm to forward your agenda ( " Judaism is false religion copied from the Canaanite / Ugarite Religion " ), I think you made a mistake.

    Regarding finding Eber on a map, the same Midrash i quoted previously explains the meaning of the word, Eber. It means "Opposite side". Many people think it was also referring to the opposite side of the river in addition to the ancestor, Eber.

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    Sooda, I think you have lost track of point that was being made by @SA Huguenot and @LightofTruth :

    This thread is asking a question: Was Abraham a Jew. SA Hugenot answered: "No he was a Hebrew. Because he came from Eber". You dismissed this because, for you, the most important thing is Abraham was a Canaanite. This is most important to you because of your agenda. And you, rather rudely, attempted to show that what SA Hugenot said was false. But there is overwhelming academic and religious support for what SA Hugenot and Light of Truth and I are saying.

    The point is, The label "Jewish" is not relevant in relation to Abraham. That is what SA Hugenot was saying. That's all.

    An objective review of the conversation will show that. And I think it's obvious to most of us already.
     
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    There were no such people as ‘Jewsuntil about fifteen centuries after Abraham was born, and until six hundred years after the death of Moses.

    Joshua 24:2-3 ESV
    And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.

    Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many. I gave him Isaac.
     
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    Joshua 24:2-3 ESV
    And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.

    Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many. I gave him Isaac.
     
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    Joshua 24:2-3 ESV
    And Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Long ago, your fathers lived beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.

    Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many. I gave him Isaac.
     
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    Come down off the soap-box... no one is arguing with you about Terah. You are arguing with yourself.
     
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    The God of Abraham is called the God of the Hebrews because Abraham was a Hebrew. When Jacob's name was changed the same God is called the God of Israel.
    Abraham served other gods until he met the Almighty.
     
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    Abraham's mother was also a Horite.

    Abraham and his people were Horite Hebrew (Habiru), a caste of ruler-priests who were devotees of the Creator and his son "Horus of the Two Crowns."

    The Horite conception of the priesthood is the antecedent of the Jewish and Christian conceptions of the sacrificing priesthood.
     
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    That's right. Abraham's mother and father were Horites who worshipped the Egyptian God HORUS.
     
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    It doesn't matter what gods he served because the Almighty called him out and made him a father of nations even before he had any kids.
     
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    Relevance?
     
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