Wars

[Augustus]

So what were they fought over? Of course there were excuses and alleged reasons but they all turned out as mere propaganda lies. And even so it is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy to argue, the winners in the end were the businesses.

Ideology, power, national security, national interest, etc.

As you note, it is fallacious to claim just because a company benefitted, then they must have been the cause of the war, rather than opportunistically capitalising on it.

Should we assumer Pfizer was responsible for a lab leak of covid simply because they made billions from the the pandemic?

 

[Heyo]

Which businesses controlled which leaders?

If we can invent conspiracies without evidence,
then let's blame the Jews. We know they're behind
all the strife & war. Or the commies. Socialists need
chaos to foment revolutions to impose their dystopia
upon us. Secret Marxist cabals are pulling Putin's
strings. Or is it Satan?
There's another easily dismissed obvious explanation
for Putin invading Ukraine.....Putin wants it for Russia.

I already said that the attack on Ukraine is obviously not influenced by business interests.
The same can not be said about the attack on Iraq. And the ties from various businesses to the US politicians is well documented.

 

[Revoltingest]

I already said that the attack on Ukraine is obviously not influenced by business interests.
The same can not be said about the attack on Iraq. And the ties from various businesses to the US politicians is well documented.

Yeah...think of all the money we made in Iraq.
What is so "well documented" about the claim
that business sent us into that war?

 

[Estro Felino]

Human rights problems in countries that are at relative
peace are indeed a problem. But these aren't as pressing
or immediately addressable as Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Putin is destroying hundreds of thousands of homes, &
sending those who are still alive into other countries as
refugees.
What I find shameless is the apologetics for Putin, his
war, & his war crimes. Blame everyone else....NATO,
USA, capitalism, Military Industrial Complex conspiracy,
& general disdain for Russia. And now the whataboutism
of the sort..."But there is injustice in other countries too!"
Anything to let Putin off the hook, eh.

Whataboutism is the normalization of double standards.
That is ... some countries are entitled to do anything. Others are not.

 

[Revoltingest]

Whataboutism is the normalization of double standards.
That is ... some countries are entitled to do anything. Others are not.

Putin loves shifting blame & attention to others.

 

[Estro Felino]

Putin loves shifting blame & attention to others.

I have a juridical vision of things.
A judge cannot apply a life sentence for a first degree murder, and apply 5 months detention for another first degree murder.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have a juridical vision of things.
A judge cannot apply a life sentence for a first degree murder, and apply 5 months detention for another first degree murder.

I have an anti-aggression view....
Don't excuse or justify Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Estro Felino]

I have an anti-aggression view....
Don't excuse or justify Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

I do not excuse or justify US intervention in Iraq, Libya or Syria, either.

As I said, I condemn this invasion.

 

[Heyo]

Yeah...think of all the money we made in Iraq.
What is so "well documented" about the claim
that business sent us into that war?

The Members of Congress Who Profit From War
The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers

 

[InChrist]

All NATO countries have taken a major economic hit from the sanctions they have imposed on Russia in the wake of the Ukraine invasion. The outcome of the war has so far been the polar opposite of profit for them. The same is true for Russia itself, whose motivations for the war are clearly related to expansion rather than short-term economic gain.

The article is largely another example of the conspiracy-minded spin on global events that has been especially salient during the pandemic. It's a line of reasoning that places flashy mottos and assumptions of being privy to exclusive knowledge above factual accuracy and logical consistency.

The issue is not about “countries” profiting from war. On the contrary, countries are often devastated and the people suffer. The point is that corporate entities in collusion with those in governments profit at the expense of countries and citizens. This is not conspiracy. Just take some time to study history and context...


“Instead of looking to negotiate an early end to the war, the U.S. foreign policy establishment would prefer to see an endless insurgency against Russia in Europe, if barely. A whole new wave of weapons is now flowing into the country from the United States and its allies, reportedly hundreds of millions of dollars worth, so far. No one on the American side is talking about negotiating a long-term peace. All we here is talk of supporting this new cross between the Galatian SS and the mujahideen “to kill Russians,” as a CIA official told Yahoo’s Dorfman.

Why is the U.S. government taking such risks? It’s the money. As Richard Cummings did such a great job of explaining in his 2007 article “Lockheed Stock and Two Smoking Barrels,” the 1990s-era U.S. Committee to Expand NATO was a project of Lockheed Vice-President Bruce Jackson. The whole thing was just a racket for selling jets either directly to the eastern European states, or failing that, to force the American taxpayer to pick up the tab for them.

The Military-Industrial Complex President Ike Eisenhower helped to build and then warned us about, has completely captured our government, in alliance with foreign states in the Middle East and Europe.”



The History Behind the Russia-Ukraine War | The Libertarian Institute

 

[InChrist]

I think this is just about the stupidest commentary I have read on the Ukraine invasion to date.

Putin invaded because he wants to absorb Ukraine within Russia. This invasion was not fomented by some "military-industrial complex", nor does it have anything to do with anyone "profiting" from war.

There is just one "power" that is "using" people here and that power is Vladimir Putin.

If you think that’s all there is to the situation then why did Putin wait so many years to attempt absorbing Ukraine? I think you would benefit from studying historical context further.

 

[syo]

What do you think?

There is a private organization that orders around.

The media are useless, they know nothing.

In my opinion.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do not excuse or justify US intervention in Iraq, Libya or Syria, either.

As I said, I condemn this invasion.

While also making it about other wars,
& ignoring significant differences.

I note that you said Putin never lies, so this
would mean it isn't even a "war", right?
And USA's Deep State with Hillary instigated
the "special military action", so that Putin isn't
responsible, right?

 

[Estro Felino]

While also making it about other wars,
& ignoring significant differences.

I note that you said Putin never lies, so this
would mean it isn't even a "war", right?
And USA's Deep State with Hillary instigated
the "special military action", so that Putin isn't
responsible, right?

I guess USA empathizes with their own allies.
Right?
Libya was a very important partner to Italy.
Incredibly important.
The 44th POTUS and Hillary destroyed that country.
So many Libyans lost their lives. A wealthy country turned into ashes.
Do we have the right, as Italians to feel resented towards Hillary who took that decision?

 

[Revoltingest]

The Members of Congress Who Profit From War
The 25 Most Vicious Iraq War Profiteers

I picked one of the companies in your link....
Environmental Chemical.
Yes, it's a company that cleans up after wars.
But the link shows no connection to any leaders
who start & continue wars. It's not enuf to say
that some companies make money from military
spending & from war. Where's the connection
that shows causation?
How did all these USA "war profiteers" get Putin
to attack Ukraine? Or was it Russian military
contractors who pull Putin's strings? Let's see
some evidence, eh.

I notice that fundie friends blame war on Satan.
Socialists blame all war on capitalism.
People in boxes will never see the outside.

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess USA empathizes with their own allies.
Right?

Generally.

Libya was a very important partner to Italy.
Incredibly important.
The 44th POTUS and Hillary destroyed that country.
So many Libyans lost their lives. A wealthy country turned into ashes.
Do we have the right, as Italians to feel resented towards the Americans (not all of them) who took that decision?

I don't defend Libya, so this is irrelevant to Russia
invading Ukraine. BTW, Libya wasn't destroyed....
1986 United States bombing of Libya - Wikipedia

 

[Estro Felino]

Generally.

I don't defend Libya, so this is irrelevant to Russia
invading Ukraine. BTW, Libya wasn't destroyed....
1986 United States bombing of Libya - Wikipedia

It is relevant. That was a crusade against Qaddafi.
This is a crusade against Zelensky.

Of course two wrongs dont make a right.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is relevant. That was a crusade against Qaddafi.
This is a crusade against Zelensky.

The scale of destruction & death in Ukraine
is orders of magnitude greater than in Libya.
Using the latter to distract from the former
is....perhaps....Putin apologetics?

It's unreasonable for one to claim being against
war, yet pushing the claim that the invasion of
Ukraine is quite similar to the lesser attack on
Libya. It just smacks of apologetics by false
whataboutism. Putin is committing large &
significant war crimes by massive destruction
& death. This should not be ignored in favor
of anti-USA propaganda, ie, Libya is not Ukraine.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Neither of those was entirely, or even predominately, fought over resources or business.

I think the East India Company might disagree over one of those.

 

[Heyo]

How did all these USA "war profiteers" get Putin
to attack Ukraine? Or was it Russian military
contractors who pull Putin's strings? Let's see
some evidence, eh.

You don't get it, do you?
For the third time: Putin's attack on Ukraine was not instigated by the military industrial complex. There is more than one possible reason for war.