Warning. Biden administration are pushing for a major war

[Twilight Hue]

If it becomes a war between Russia and Nato it would be because even Ukraine is not yet a Nato member, Nato support Ukrain in their struggle under the preassure by Putin and Russia.
America as a Nato member would then be involved because of this. Not because Biden is suddenly a war hungry president.

I think Putin is seeking the reunification of Russian States that made up the USSR. One has to be honest, if one of the US States declared independence, like the first civil war, would or would not the US go to war to reclaim its former states just like Russia is doing with Ukraine?

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think Putin is seeking the reunification of Russian States that made up the USSR. One has to be honest, if one of the US States declared independence, like the first civil war, would or would not the US go to war to reclaim its former states just like Russia is doing with Ukraine?

I am non political so i have no reason to say what other countries should or should not do. But if Nato ask America to help out to protect Ukraine from being taken by Russia that is something Biden have to deal with since America is a part of Nato.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am non political so i have no reason to say what other countries should or should not do. But if Nato ask America to help out to protect Ukraine from being taken by Russia that is something Biden have to deal with since America is a part of Nato.

No it's optional. America is never subjugated to the jurisdiction of any outside authority.

At the same time it's true we ought to hold up to agreements if we make them.

 

[Spirit of Light]

No it's optional. America is never subjugated to any outside authority.

Then the question arise, Why have they by multiple times messed around in different parts of thr World if it would be better for them to stay home?

 

[Kooky]

@qxc51
What do you expect people to do with this information? Keep in mind that it does not come from a source most people would find trustworthy, and is highly reliant on a very particular interpretation of an unspecified set of unspecified "mainstream media" articles - a reading most people may not even share, for all we know.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then the question arise, Why have they by multiple times messed around in different parts of thr World if it would be better for them to stay home?

I agree. We should go back to being a defensive based nation as opposed to the change to offensive and preemptive behaviors this century.

Help those who ask for help.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I agree. We should go back to being a defensive based nation as opposed to the change to offensive and preemptive behaviors this century.

Help those who ask for help.

Agree on that

 

[Left Coast]

Or do you mean evidence for that some in NATO and in the white house are pushing for war? For that i just trust the spiritual source. But i am not alone believing that. I follow a thread on this in another discussion forum and for many the evidence seems to indicate this.

Then would you mind sharing it?

Not sure i can give you a name of the source. Can ask but would it prove anything?

You don't know your source's name? How have you confirmed that this source is in a position to know the information they claim to? This source is a human? Or something sense?

 

[Stevicus]

I am told spiritually several times per day to write online that NATO and people in the white house are pushing for war. Now in Ukraine and also for more war in the middle east. There are probably religious and other nuts who wants that while it helps others achieve their economical and political goals.

You have perhaps seen what is happening in Ukraine now and between NATO and Russia.

Whoever you believe is the really worst bad guy that is not something that will prevent a war. We would have to convince millions on the other side. To prevent war a better strategy is necessary.

I am no expert on politics and who is guilty of what but after talking with my spiritual source every day for years i have no doubts about this source at all. I dont expect to convince you about that though. But i dont think you want nuclear war and destruction of civilization either.


The message i am "spamming" Facebook with at the moment is:

"The risk for a nuclear conflict is high. ️ NATO are using Ukraine against Russia. Putin is not a nice guy but this time NATO started. What media tells you is often propaganda. I am also told people in the white house wants to expand the war in the middle east. Spirit tells me i should tell as many as possible. If you do that as well we can expose their plans and prevent war and mass death. Please pray for peace.️ "

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I can not know with 100% certainty if this is the truth although i strongly suspect so. As far as i know NATO has placed missiles close to Russias border for many years. Something that few would accept and is very risky itself. But as i wrote, does it matter even if you believe the constant propaganda in the media that Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia did this or that? Perhaps not.

Perhaps by just exposing this we prevent war. By telling as many as we possibly can perhaps NATO would back down since the necessary propaganda to feed a war would have no effect more than waking people up even more.
For some psychological reason when people are told that something major is about to happen and it then does it is a huge wake up call and they start questioning what they are told.


So do you want to help? Any ideas how to make people notice you online?

I'm not convinced that the Biden administration is "pushing" for war, but it's possible that they may not know what to do or how to handle the current global situation. The trouble seems to be that the US leadership simply reacts to things, without having any real goals or coherent objectives in its foreign policy.

We also seem to find ourselves at cross purposes much of the time, as our government wants to convey this image of America as a "defender of freedom," while still maintaining some kind of official façade of international legitimacy. But on the other hand, we want to continue with a globalist, quasi-imperialist geopolitical agenda, where America's national interests must be maintained and defended.

That's our biggest problem, it seems. We want to maintain a global empire and all of its trappings and benefits, yet we also are committed to maintaining an image of "defending freedom" and "making the world safe for democracy," as if we're doing it solely out of selfless generosity and compassion, with no thought to our own benefit.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What do you expect people to do with this information?

I think you know. You're supposed to fear or distrust Biden.

All you will hear coming from the American right for the next 4-8 years is why Biden is demented, or a puppet, or dangerous, or lying, or whatever other form of character assassination they think might stick. It's what they do, like termites, or cutter ants, destroying while offering zero constructive or useful ideas of their own.

The right wants power beck, but has no interest in governing, just grifting, keeping the population as armed and dangerous as possible, fomenting division through racism, stealing elections, and giving tax breaks to people that don't need them while ignoring the needs of ordinary citizens. They have no other agenda and no ideas, so they are constrained to be defamatory to and critical of the opposition, which, they obstruct and then blame for shortcomings or failures. They weakened the ACA as much as possible, and then criticized it for falling short. We'll see the same thing with this border matter and the jobs bill (infrastructure). These are problems they neglected for years because they don't care about either of these issues, will obstruct the Democrats attempts to fix them, then blame the Democrats again. Count on it.

Just look at the next fifty posts RF conservatives start about American politics. They will all be like the ones we have been seeing here the last few weeks - what horrible and incompetent people Biden or the Democrats are. Nothing else. No ideas. Just destructive, insincere commentary intended to reseat the Republicans in the White House and Congress.

Now that doesn't mean that everybody carrying water for the Republicans by passively and uncritically absorbing their talking points and mindlessly and unwittingly serving as vectors for them, including this poster, but I don't make a distinction between those who are an active part of the problem and those that passively support it.

 

[Kooky]

Help those who ask for help.

How would you categorize General Augusto Pinochet, who asked for CIA support for his coup against the democratically elected government of Chile, or Ngo Dinh Diem, the autocratic prime minister of South Vietnam, who asked for US military support against a communist insurgency, or the Afghan Northern Alliance, who asked for US support in their fight against the Taliban?

Wasn't that kind of "help" precisely the kind of imperialist overreach that people commonly criticize about the US?

 

[Deo Vindice]

How would you categorize General Augusto Pinochet, who asked for CIA support for his coup against the democratically elected government of Chile, or Ngo Dinh Diem, the autocratic prime minister of South Vietnam, who asked for US military support against a communist insurgency, or the Afghan Northern Alliance, who asked for US support in their fight against the Taliban?

Wasn't that kind of "help" precisely the kind of imperialist overreach that people commonly criticize about the US?

We also helped the Taliban against the soviets and Saddam against Iran. America should only ally with and aid those who share and abide by our moral values. Unfortunately we are (or were due to the usurper Biden) the last Christian stronghold.

 

[Heyo]

I think you know. You're supposed to fear or distrust Biden.

All you will hear coming from the American right for the next 4-8 years is why Biden is demented, or a puppet, or dangerous, or lying, or whatever other form of character assassination they think might stick. It's what they do, like termites, or cutter ants, destroying while offering zero constructive or useful ideas of their own.

The right wants power beck, but has no interest in governing, just grifting, keeping the population as armed and dangerous as possible, fomenting division through racism, stealing elections, and giving tax breaks to people that don't need them while ignoring the needs of ordinary citizens. They have no other agenda and no ideas, so they are constrained to be defamatory to and critical of the opposition, which, they obstruct and then blame for shortcomings or failures. They weakened the ACA as much as possible, and then criticized it for falling short. We'll see the same thing with this border matter and the jobs bill (infrastructure). These are problems they neglected for years because they don't care about either of these issues, will obstruct the Democrats attempts to fix them, then blame the Democrats again. Count on it.

Just look at the next fifty posts RF conservatives start about American politics. They will all be like the ones we have been seeing here the last few weeks - what horrible and incompetent people Biden or the Democrats are. Nothing else. No ideas. Just destructive, insincere commentary intended to reseat the Republicans in the White House and Congress.

Now that doesn't mean that everybody carrying water for the Republicans by passively and uncritically absorbing their talking points and mindlessly and unwittingly serving as vectors for them, including this poster, but I don't make a distinction between those who are an active part of the problem and those that passively support it.

Interesting. We both read the same OP and you read "Biden bad" (despite him not being mentioned once within the article) and I read "war bad".
I guess one has to live in the US to see it your way.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Interesting. We both read the same OP and you read "Biden bad" (despite him not being mentioned once within the article) and I read "war bad".
I guess one has to live in the US to see it your way.

Yes, I noticed that the body of the OP doesn't mention Biden.

Did you read the title of the thread? Why do you suppose it was given that title? I suggest for the reasons I gave. Why not make this Biden's fault if you're a conservative? Just put his name in the title.

Incidentally, I don't live in the States. I did for the first 55 years of my life, so I still have somewhat of an American perspective, but not a typical one. I wish America well, but am not involved in its well-being unless one considers Internet posting involvement.

 

[Heyo]

Yes, I noticed that the body of the OP doesn't mention Biden.

Did you read the title of the thread? Why do you suppose it was given that title?

Click bait?
As I already said, people aren't very much interested in peace but they are in partisan politics.

I suggest for the reasons I gave. Why not make this Biden's fault if you're a conservative? Just put his name in the title.

Incidentally, I don't live in the States. I did for the first 55 years of my life, so I still have somewhat of an American perspective, but not a typical one. I wish America well, but am not involved in its well-being unless one considers Internet posting involvement.

We should ask @qxc51 to clarify.

 

[Kooky]

Just look at the next fifty posts RF conservatives start about American politics. They will all be like the ones we have been seeing here the last few weeks - what horrible and incompetent people Biden or the Democrats are. Nothing else. No ideas. Just destructive, insincere commentary intended to reseat the Republicans in the White House and Congress.

This is something I found particularly striking about conservative commentary on politics, not just on this forum but also in the wider American public discourse, both in social and traditional media. You rarely see any kind of counter proposals or other attempts to talk about politics in a productive or constructive way, or even much of an effort to engage with the subject matter in good faith.

As much as people decry BLM for its protests, the intellectual side of the movement actually presented policy proposals intended to reduce police violence (or policing, period) and their supporters made efforts to signal boost those proposals they liked bring them to media attention. There is little of that to be found in the exiles from Trumpian politics, not even half-donkeyed proposals to bring back wall construction or a clamoring for further bans against Muslims, as you would expect from a movement that had fully married itself to xenophobia in the last four years.

In some way, I think this highlights a certain intellectual poverty inherent to conservativism as a political ideology: So much of conservativism concerns itself with preserving the status quo and defending existing social hierarchies and inequalities, that there really is no intellectual energy left among its ideologues to characterize a positive political program. And since there is no positive program, conservative criticism can't really offer any contrasting alternatives to liberal or socialist models of the future - the only way it can engage with those is by tearing them down.

In light of this, the essence of conservative criticism probably has to be destructive to some extent.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

This is something I found particularly striking about conservative commentary on politics, not just on this forum but also in the wider American public discourse, both in social and traditional media. You rarely see any kind of counter proposals or other attempts to talk about politics in a productive or constructive way, or even much of an effort to engage with the subject matter in good faith.

Rarely? The Republicans and their enablers have no good ideas. When was the last time one had a good idea? When I wrote, "The right wants power beck, but has no interest in governing, just grifting, keeping the population as armed and dangerous as possible, fomenting division through racism, stealing elections, and giving tax breaks to people that don't need them while ignoring the needs of ordinary citizens. They have no other agenda and no ideas, so they are constrained to be defamatory to and critical of the opposition, which, they obstruct and then blame for shortcomings or failures," I meant it literally. Not as hyperbole.

And since there is no positive program, conservative criticism can't really offer any contrasting alternatives to liberal or socialist models of the future - the only way it can engage with those is by tearing them down.

I think you've got it. One can see for himself that that is correct - no need to believe the opinion of another. Conservatives held the White House and both houses of Congress when Trump was inaugurated. What did they do in the first two years, before they lost the House? Nothing except tax cuts for the wealthy, cutbacks in environmental protections, and packing the courts. Everything else was nothing burger - the wall, the promised infrastructure legislation that was always two weeks away, no improvement of the ACA as promised. All just flim-flam and gaslighting. Contrast that with Biden's first three months. That's the difference between governing and the swamp.

Conservatives may disagree and feel that ideas like walls and Muslim bans were good ones, but only to somebody afraid of the other. If that's not you, you have no interest in such opinions and see no good ideas at all from the right. Really, what was the last Republican president to have a good idea? Probably Nixon and the EPA. Hard to think of too many before that. Eisenhower's interstate highway program counts. Teddy Roosevelt's national parks counts. But seriously, what a poverty of ideas that party has had. Forget the empty words about fiscal conservatism. Recall toxic ideas like trickle-down. The cynicism of the Moral Majority and Family Values coming from vipers like Gingrich and Falwell.

Somehow, America has trouble seeing that, and after being terrified by a George Bush or a Donald Trump runs to the Democrats for rescue, only to reenter their trance and vote Republican again. That is the great danger facing America today.