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Want to hire illegals and skirt immigration laws? Temp agencies.

sooda

Veteran Member
I am a native of the Southwest. I live in the Southwest. We grow up knowing about illegal immigration, we experience itś results constantly. I know more about it than most people, because it is part of life in the Southwest. So, don´t tell me I am ignorant of the facts.

Economic migrants, posing as asylum seekers, who get one foot on US soil, have essentially a ticket to stay forever. They are given medical treatment, food, housing for a while, are given a hearing date, at least a year in the future, and are released. Most will never make their hearing.

The city of Yuma Az. has been over run by them, and has declared an emergency for the city. They have no money, wander the streets, sleep on the streets, and take precious city resources to deal with them, try and feed them, and care for them. They will eventually filter into the interior, take a job for a greatly reduced rate, but it will be more than they ever had. Their kids will go to school, courtesy of the American property owner, which creates problems since they don´t speak English, schools have to seek out bilingual teachers, where good teachers who only speak English are passed over.

What you don´t grasp is that the border is so long, through such hostile country, and there are not enough border patrol people to come even close to enforcing it. The dims hype technology as the answer, well, unless you are going to use a drone to shoot them in Mexico, all the technology in the world will not stop them from crossing.

The bizarre asylum laws we have, means finding them after the cross the border is too late. As they have been coached in Mexico, they say asylum, and the magic kingdom opens for them.

Asylum cities, all democrat, asylum states, all democrat, encourage and draw these people to the country, they refuse to co operate with ICE, have no communication with federal law enforcement.

Shakespeare said ¨ a rose by any other name still smells as sweet¨. Open borders by any other name still stinks.

Its gotten much worse in Yuma in the past three years, hasn't it?
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

"The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally. It is clear from our research that persons who overstay their visas add to the US undocumented population at a higher rate than border crossers."

In otherwords 62% came here legally, overstayed their visa and then became illegally here.

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings
So ? These people are not likely to be unskilled, uneducated economic migrants.

Pointing out one problem in relation to another doesn´t solve either.

Most illegal alien murders, are by illegal crossers, not visa over stays most illegal alien drunk driving and hit and runs are by illegal crossers.

So both problems need to be addressed.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Why can't Trump be as clear and threatening to USA employers, like Manpower, as foreign governments? Why can't he make Manpower stop encouraging illegal immigrants?

I tell you why I think Trump is unable to force USA employers to stop hiring illegal immigrants. Because the rich folks who pay Trump don't want immigration reform. The status quo works very well for them.

So all they want is Trump to grandstand, while he cuts their share of the tax burden, while keeping all those profitable illegal workers.

Oh, and start a few wars. Like in Venezuela and Iran.
Tom
If there are no laws on the books to enforce, you cannot arbitrarily make one up on the fly.

One of the biggest supporters of weak or non existent border laws is the US chamber of commerce, for the reasons you pointed out.

Don´t think they don have congress people from both parties on their payrolls in some fashion.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Its gotten much worse in Yuma in the past three years, hasn't it?
Yes, but don´t try and heap all the blame on Trump, there is plenty to go around.

It started during Obamaś presidency, and has grown since then.

As word goes back as to how easy it is to get in, they economic exodus grows year by year.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Asylum cities, all democrat, asylum states, all democrat, encourage and draw these people to the country, they refuse to co operate with ICE, have no communication with federal law enforcement.
I live in an asylum city, here in Trump land southern Indiana.
They don't call themselves that, because it's politically incorrect. But it's true.

Back in the Bush II administration a rumor swept through the immigrant community that the Fed's were coming through the county, checking papers. So many people believed this that factories and restaurants and other businesses had to shut down, due to a lack of employees.
The city leaders launched into action. Radio, social media, the newspapers, everyone from the mayor to CEO's were out there insisting that anybody who had a job was welcomed here. "It's safe to go back to work, we'll protect you from the government!"
And they did. Factories and businesses reopened, and the elite protected their workers from the federal government.

If that's not a sanctuary city, then I don't know what is. And it's right here in the heartland.
Tom
 

sooda

Veteran Member
If there are no laws on the books to enforce, you cannot arbitrarily make one up on the fly.

One of the biggest supporters of weak or non existent border laws is the US chamber of commerce, for the reasons you pointed out.

Don´t think they don have congress people from both parties on their payrolls in some fashion.

Chamber of Commerce Demands More Immigration: 'U.S. is Out ...
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/26/chamber-of-commerce-demands-more...
Apr 26, 2019 · Already, about 1.5 million illegal and legal immigrants are admitted to the country every year, to the detriment of U.S. wages. The Chamber of Commerce’s push to increase legal immigration levels is vastly out of step with Republican voters and American voters as a whole.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Yes, but don´t try and heap all the blame on Trump, there is plenty to go around.

It started during Obamaś presidency, and has grown since then.

As word goes back as to how easy it is to get in, they economic exodus grows year by year.

Look at the data. Don't assume.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
US Chamber of Commerce to Trump: Why we need global trade
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-chamber-commerce-trump-why-025507779.html
Jan 16, 2017 · US Chamber of Commerce to Trump: Why we need global trade. Through various tweets, Trump has complained about China artificially depreciating its currency, unfairly taxing U.S. products, militarizing the South China Sea, and failing to adequately punish rogue state North Korea.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
If there are no laws on the books to enforce, you cannot arbitrarily make one up on the fly.

One of the biggest supporters of weak or non existent border laws is the US chamber of commerce, for the reasons you pointed out.

Don´t think they don have congress people from both parties on their payrolls in some fashion.

So, tell me again why Trump can't deal with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce?
But he can deal with the Mexican government.
Seriously. You seem to think that Trump can't do anything about the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Why do think he is hamstrung concerning US institutions?

I think it's because he benefits personally. He benefits hugely from cheap labor and poorly informed supporters.
Perhaps you have another explanation for why Trump doesn't just do what needs to be done. Prosecute the people who give away American jobs.
Tom
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
Personally these rampant rip off agencies, aka scams , should have been illegal to start with given the facts involved with these types of 'businesses' that you see just about everywhere. Likely next to that check cashing scam next door.

More Employers May Be Using Temps to Skirt Immigration Laws

No wonder they are so popular with illegals .

Now that Trump has gotten Mexico to end the overflow of migrants trespassing across our border, undocumented workers will soon be in short supply. Now temp agencies will have to find legal American workers whom they will have to pay a decent wage.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
If congress, both houses and both parties really wanted to address this problem, it would be solved.
C'mon.
The Republicans ran both houses on Capitol Hill from 2010 to 2018. And for the last couple of years, Trump was president.
Don't tell me that both parties are equally to blame for the current problems.
Tom
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Now temp agencies will have to find legal American workers whom they will have to pay a decent wage.
If temp agencies paid a fair wage theyd be run out of business. Which would be a good thing, but their entire model of business revolves around exploitation.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

"The report released Wednesday by the Center for Migration Studies of New York finds that from 2016-2017, people who overstayed their visas accounted for 62 percent of the newly undocumented, while 38 percent had crossed a border illegally. It is clear from our research that persons who overstay their visas add to the US undocumented population at a higher rate than border crossers."

In otherwords 62% came here legally, overstayed their visa and then became illegally here.

For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings

Cut thru the lies.. "For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings"..

You're a gem.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
C'mon.
The Republicans ran both houses on Capitol Hill from 2010 to 2018. And for the last couple of years, Trump was president.
Don't tell me that both parties are equally to blame for the current problems.
Tom
When was the last time that you were at the border, or spoke to a Border Patrol Officer ? 200,000 illegals have been released since Dec.

Immigration has been a mess and in need of repair for decades,

Your TDS makes you ignore history. Trump shot Kennedy as well.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
So, tell me again why Trump can't deal with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce?
But he can deal with the Mexican government.
Seriously. You seem to think that Trump can't do anything about the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Why do think he is hamstrung concerning US institutions?

I think it's because he benefits personally. He benefits hugely from cheap labor and poorly informed supporters.
Perhaps you have another explanation for why Trump doesn't just do what needs to be done. Prosecute the people who give away American jobs.
Tom
You keep using the term ¨ deal with¨. If you don´t have the legal authority you can"t deal with it.

The Chamber of commerce has the right to support whatever they support. how would you ¨deal¨ with them ?

If he looks toward the border, the democrats take him to court.

He has the legal authority to deal with Mexico, enact tariffs.

Would you have him send troops into the congress and make democrats, at gunpoint, vote to protect our borders ?

The million illegals this year is just fine with democrats, they see a time when they are in control, and will make them democrat voters.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
So ? These people are not likely to be unskilled, uneducated economic migrants.

Pointing out one problem in relation to another doesn´t solve either.

Most illegal alien murders, are by illegal crossers, not visa over stays most illegal alien drunk driving and hit and runs are by illegal crossers.

So both problems need to be addressed.
Illegal is illegal is the point.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
When was the last time that you were at the border, or spoke to a Border Patrol Officer ? 200,000 illegals have been released since Dec.

Immigration has been a mess and in need of repair for decades,

Your TDS makes you ignore history. Trump shot Kennedy as well.
When's the last time you've been? I'll do you one better: how far away from it do you live?
 
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