Wagner chief Prigozhin killed in Plane Crash

[Stevicus]

Oh, the fallacy of something being inevitable.
I see opportunity to influence.
Tis not a foregone conclusion that Russia will conquer Ukraine & other neighbors.
Neither is it certain that China will conquer more of SE Asia.

Nothing is certain. I was addressing your statement that "China would be emboldened" if the Russians succeed in Ukraine - which I agree is not a foregone conclusion. But if China is emboldened, it doesn't appear to have anything to do with Russia or Ukraine, but more in its direct relationship and dealings with the United States.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, the fallacy of inevitability.
I see opportunity to influence.
Tis no foregone conclusion that Russia will conquer Ukraine & more.
.

So far, nothing proves Russia intends to conquer the whole of Ukraine.
So...I don't understand why she should be emboldened....by whom?

 

[Revoltingest]

Nothing is certain. I was addressing your statement that "China would be emboldened" if the Russians succeed in Ukraine.....

It's not fundamentally about Russia succeeding.
It's whether the west makes violent conquest too
costly to pursue.

But if China is emboldened, it doesn't appear to have anything to do with Russia or Ukraine, but more in its direct relationship and dealings with the United States.

China gears up its military for more than just
ability to take Taiwan & the S China Sea.
It doesn't need nuclear subs & hypersonic
nuclear missiles for that. Its capabilities
currently appear to low for war with the west.
But that is changing.

 

[Revoltingest]

So far, nothing proves Russia intends to conquer the whole of Ukraine.
So...I don't understand why she should be emboldened....by whom?

There are indicators that Russia has plans to expand beyond Ukraine.
The Church supports it. Such is that flavor of Christianity.
The risk appears real.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/15/putin-patriarch-ukraine-culture-power-decline/

How Putin Learned to Hold Deadly Grudges

Russia’s president has been shaped by decades of bitterness and revenge.

foreignpolicy.com

Putin is betting that the west is too decadent to defend its values. He is wrong | Rafael Behr

Carried to power and marinated in myths about themselves, dictators always underestimate the strength of democracies, says Guardian columnist Rafael Behr

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine War: Russia warns Sweden and Finland against Nato membership

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the move won't bring stability to Europe.

www.bbc.com

Winter War: The 1939 Soviet Invasion Of Finland In Crystal-Clear Photos

An archive of thousands of images of the Soviet Union's 1939 invasion of Finland have been scanned and digitized, revealing the harrowing human details of the David vs. Goliath struggle.

www.rferl.org

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/16/europe/russia-moldova-secret-document-intl-cmd

Russian General Lets Slip Secret Plan to Invade New Country

The Russian military now says the official plan is to create a land corridor all the way along Ukraine’s coast to Moldova, where another border is under threat.

www.thedailybeast.com

MSN

Ukraine war: Russia aiming for full control of south, commander says

A senior Russian commander is quoted as saying Moscow plans to take full control of the south and east.

www.bbc.com

Exclusive: Putin's plans to keep the Baltics in check

Yahoo News has obtained confidential strategy documents drawn up by the Kremlin that reveal Russia’s ambitious plans to exert its influence in the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

news.yahoo.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/baltics-ukraine-russia-attack-1.6362634

 

[Estro Felino]

There are indicators that Russia has plans to expand beyond Ukraine.
The risk appears real.

Ukraine War: Russia warns Sweden and Finland against Nato membership

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the move won't bring stability to Europe.

www.bbc.com

Winter War: The 1939 Soviet Invasion Of Finland In Crystal-Clear Photos

An archive of thousands of images of the Soviet Union's 1939 invasion of Finland have been scanned and digitized, revealing the harrowing human details of the David vs. Goliath struggle.

www.rferl.org

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/16/europe/russia-moldova-secret-document-intl-cmd

Russian General Lets Slip Secret Plan to Invade New Country

The Russian military now says the official plan is to create a land corridor all the way along Ukraine’s coast to Moldova, where another border is under threat.

www.thedailybeast.com

MSN

Ukraine war: Russia aiming for full control of south, commander says

A senior Russian commander is quoted as saying Moscow plans to take full control of the south and east.

www.bbc.com

Exclusive: Putin's plans to keep the Baltics in check

Yahoo News has obtained confidential strategy documents drawn up by the Kremlin that reveal Russia’s ambitious plans to exert its influence in the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

news.yahoo.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/baltics-ukraine-russia-attack-1.6362634

Anything written in Cyrillic? Is there anything that confirms this desire to conquer Europe?
I mean... of course the West's propaganda is based upon the fact that Putin wants to dominate all of Europa. First Kiev, then Warsaw, then Berlin, then Paris...right?
But they are just conjectures. I haven't read anything about these plans, in Russian.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anything written in Cyrillic?

You're free to search.
I can't read that anymore anyway.

Is there anything that confirms this desire to conquer Europe?
I mean... of course the West's propaganda is based upon the fact that Putin wants to dominate all of Europa. First Kiev, then Warsaw, then Berlin, then Paris...right?
But they are just conjectures. I haven't read anything about these plans, in Russian.

My conjectures are better than your conjectures,
eg, that USA wants to steal Russia.

 

[Estro Felino]

My conjectures are better than your conjectures,
eg, that USA wants to steal Russia.

First of all, I have never said the United States wants to steal something from Russia.
I have said certain banking dynasties overseas who happen to live in UK too...so go figure.

If these banking dynasties sign a document at a notary where they guarantee they will never touch the nationalized banking system and the nationalized gas company of Russia, I will say: Sorry, I was wrong. My apologies.,

Have they done it? Will they do it? No.

 

[Stevicus]

It's not fundamentally about Russia succeeding.
It's whether the west makes violent conquest too
costly to pursue.

Perhaps, though it's costing the West, too.

China gears up its military for more than just
ability to take Taiwan & the S China Sea.
It doesn't need nuclear subs & hypersonic
nuclear missiles for that. Its capabilities
currently appear to low for war with the west.
But that is changing.

Perhaps so, but then it comes down to what the West is prepared and willing to do about it, if it ever comes to some kind of confrontation.

Mao once referred to the U.S. as a paper tiger, and they seemingly saw (and continue to see) the U.S. as soft, spoiled, complacent, and internally rotten to the point of self-destruction. For a country like ours, whose leadership is so afraid of "appearing weak" in the eyes of our enemies, they sure don't do a heck of a lot to hide those weaknesses.

 

[Revoltingest]

First of all, I have never said the United States wants to steal something from Russia.

Oh, sure.

I have said certain banking dynasties overseas who happen to live in UK too...so go figure.

If these banking dynasties sign a document at a notary where they guarantee they will never touch the nationalized banking system and the nationalized gas company of Russia, I will say: Sorry, I was wrong. My apologies.,

Have they done it? Will they do it? No.

Banking dynasties run by the Jews, the Deep State, & the Illuminati, eh.

 

[Father Heathen]

The issue is that Russians at least don't pretend to be saints.

On the contrary, the shady dynasties overseas demand to be considered saints.

Spooky!

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps, though it's costing the West, too.

Doing nothing portends costing much more later on.

Are you buying the MAGA argument against
defending Ukraine because of financial burden?

Perhaps so, but then it comes down to what the West is prepared and willing to do about it, if it ever comes to some kind of confrontation.

Or Russia's & China's belief that the
west would make such conquest
unprofitable.

Mao once referred to the U.S. as a paper tiger, and they seemingly saw (and continue to see) the U.S. as soft, spoiled, complacent, and internally rotten to the point of self-destruction.

Pre-WW2 Japan thought so too.

For a country like ours, whose leadership is so afraid of "appearing weak" in the eyes of our enemies, they sure don't do a heck of a lot to hide those weaknesses.

You seem to argue much, but
without taking any position.
Are you a bickerbot?

 

[Father Heathen]

Oh, sure.

Banking dynasties run by the Jews, the Deep State, & the Illuminati, eh.

Don't forget the freemasons.

 

[Father Heathen]

Prigozhin should've known that Putin wouldn't just let him walk away after his attempted coup. He should've saw it through instead of backing down.

 

[Revoltingest]

Don't forget the freemasons.

So many that it's hard to keep track.

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, sure.

Banking dynasties run by the Jews, the Deep State, & the Illuminati, eh.

...and the Vatican, as well.

 

[Father Heathen]

...and the Vatican, as well.

And Cobra.

 

[ChristineM]

And Cobra.

And COBR.

Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms - Wikipedia

 

[exchemist]

Question....

Do you think its possible that an outside source may have been involved trying to/hoping to end the war?

No, because this will do nothing to end the war.

 

[exchemist]

Oh, sure.

Banking dynasties run by the Jews, the Deep State, & the Illuminati, eh.

Not forgetting Bill Gates, George Soros and the Lizard People

”Toodle-oo, I’m a teapot”

 

[Revoltingest]

Not forgetting Bill Gates, George Soros and the Lizard People

”Toodle-oo, I’m a teapot”

Happy hatchday!