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Violent Overthrow Possible in US?

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Engyo, Oct 22, 2010.

  1. Engyo

    Engyo Prince of Dorkness!

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    GOP candidate: I can't rule out violence
    Texan Stephen Broden says there needs to be a change at the top
    By MELANIE MASON Dallas Morning News
    Oct. 22, 2010, 9:49AM

    WASHINGTON – Republican congressional candidate Stephen Broden stunned his party Thursday, saying he would not rule out violent overthrow of the government if elections did not produce a change in leadership.

    In a rambling exchange during a TV interview, Broden, a South Dallas pastor, said a violent uprising "is not the first option," but it is "on the table." That drew a quick denunciation from the head of the Dallas County GOP, who called the remarks "inappropriate."

    Broden, a first-time candidate, is challenging veteran incumbent Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson in Dallas' heavily Democratic 30th Congressional District. Johnson's campaign declined to comment on Broden.

    In the interview, Brad Watson, political reporter for WFAA-TV (Channel 8), asked Broden about a tea party event last year in Fort Worth in which he described the nation's government as tyrannical.

    "We have a constitutional remedy," Broden said then. "And the Framers say if that don't work, revolution."

    Watson asked if his definition of revolution included violent overthrow of the government. In a prolonged back-and-forth, Broden at first declined to explicitly address insurrection, saying the first way to deal with a repressive government is to "alter it or abolish it."

    "If the government is not producing the results or has become destructive to the ends of our liberties, we have a right to get rid of that government and to get rid of it by any means necessary," Broden said, adding the nation was founded on a violent revolt against Britain's King George III.

    Watson asked if violence would be in option in 2010, under the current government. "The option is on the table. I don't think that we should remove anything from the table as it relates to our liberties and our freedoms," Broden said, without elaborating. "However, it is not the first option."

    GOP candidate from Texas: I can't rule out violence if there's no change in leadership | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
     
  2. Father Heathen

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    It would be some wacky shenanigans to see a bunch of shotgun toting rednecks get mowed down in a hail of national guard gunfire in the streets of our nation's capital.

    And it always gives me a chuckle to see Christian conservatives talk about protecting liberties when they've always been the biggest threat to them.
     
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    He's chopping his little wee-wee off.
     
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  4. Engyo

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    So, he believes we have a government of people who think like him, by people who think like him, and for people who think like him; and the rest of y'all better get out of the way or get shot.

    Sounds like the American Taliban to me.
     
  5. angellous_evangellous

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    haha - The Dallas Morning News endorsed him on Oct 16.

    Bet they regret that.
     
  6. angellous_evangellous

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    Well, the Republican led USA destroyed the government of Iraq - it's only natural that they do it at home WHEN THEY CAN'T GET ENOUGH VOTES TO CARRY OUT THEIR AGENDA.
     
  7. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    As a rifle toting redneck extremist myself, I can honestly say that this guy doesn't put us in a good light.
    One ought to be diplomatic & thoughtful when relating some of the last resort measures available to free people.
    We don't want to scare normal people too much.
     
  8. Father Heathen

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    If you don't have the people's votes behind you, it's probably a good guess that you don't have the people's will behind you, either. But when you're high on jebus juice you don't pay much mind to tiny details like that.
     
  9. tomato1236

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    Awesome. I'll have to get some microwave popcorn so that when this goes down I can turn on the tube and pop me a bowl.

    I was a little jealous when I watched video of the riots in France. Why don't we ever do stuff like that? I mean, millions--MILLIONS of people went on strike, and people were turning over cars and lighting them on fire. Just over raising the retirement age by 2 years, after which it will still be lower than most other countries in Europe. If they raised the age here by 5 years, we'd probably just say, "well that sucks". And then we'd go mow the lawn or watch bass fishing on TV.
     
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    I like that the French do the stupid riot-&-wreck-their-economy thingie for our viewing pleasure.
    I remember violent riots here in the 60s, & have no need to re-live that.
     
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    Our culture must have been seriously different back then. I mean, what would it take for us (non-extremists) to revolt today? I know it wouldn't be pretty, but I can't deny that I have a secret desire to be involved in something epic like that.
     
  12. Engyo

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    It really comes down to WHOSE liberties are going to be protected, and WHICH ones.

     
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    I actually am semi-prepared for unlikely violent events, but I loathe the prospect.
    Despite what some might think of me, I'm uncomfortable with conflict, pain, death & violence.
    But I study history, & expect that it will be repeated sooner or later.
     
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    Yeah. I know that immense unhappiness generally results from actual war, killing, violence, etc. It's not those things I'm interested in, it's having a cause and fighting for it. I just can't imagine what cause would cause me to get off the couch, unless my immediate family members were being publicly executed for saying they don't like the president or something.

    I have a list of things to spend my money on in the back of my mind. A gun is one of those things. I'm not that into guns and hunting and all that, but I would feel like an idiot if someone broke into my house and hurt my family and I didn't have a gun because I held a value of non-violence. I agree that preparedness is ideal.
     
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    Hey, when you're ready to consider a gun for self-defense, please start a thread to discuss the choices you face.
    Tis an interesting matter!
     
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    I would appreciate recommendations. I've talked about it a little with my bro in-law, who has let me fire his pistols (he got one but it was too big and inaccurate, so he got a smaller one), but that's really the only experience I have outside of rifles and shotguns. I've done plenty with those, but don't see what would be the point of owning them. I would be interested in a sniper rifle, though, secondary to my handgun. This way if I need to overthrow the governement for killing my family, I can do some quality assasination work.
     
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    They're turncoats! Get 'em!
     
  18. Revoltingest

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    The short story is....
    Close range: Handguns require more training than shotguns. I recommend fragmenting rounds for efficacy & safety.
    Long range: Sniper & target rifles require much practice to be of more value than an ordinary hunting/military rifle.
     
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    Shotguns are too easy. I have plenty of practice with em. I started getting the hang of the handguns (initially I was anticipating the kick, which messed up my aim).

    In any case, I don't mind practicing. I quite enjoy a challenge, and the process of getting good at anything.
     
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    Shooters should always practice with mild recoil guns, moving up only when able to do so without anticipating recoil.
    If recoil affects you, move down in power. Accurate shooting is all about comfort & calm while using technique.
     
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