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That would be for a court to decide.
Doing magic?" That's the opposite of trusting God! “Doing magic” implies that people command occult forces to fulfill their own human will. In the process, they become virtual slaves to those forces. But prayer involves trusting God and seeking His will, strength and guidance.[/FONT][/I][FONT="]Struck by the immensity of the spiritual chasm between us, I glanced at Tracy. We both wanted to do what was "good," but her good was the opposite of mine. As God warned us long ago:[/FONT]
[FONT="]"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness." Isaiah 5:20-21”[/FONT]
Excerpt: [FONT="]Reviving Witchcraft![/FONT]
Reviving Witchcraft
Well, I'm a witch and I do pray. So that portrayal of witches is not true of all witches, not that I think it is inaccurate. She seems to have been a good person. Indeed it seems even the speaker thought she was a good, well meaning person.[FONT="]"No," she answered. "We don't pray. We call it 'doing magic'."[/FONT]
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[FONT="]"Doing magic?" That's the opposite of trusting God! Doing magic implies that people command occult forces to fulfill their own human will. In the process, they become virtual slaves to those forces. But prayer involves trusting God and seeking His will, strength and guidance.[/FONT][FONT="]Struck by the immensity of the spiritual chasm between us, I glanced at Tracy. We both wanted to do what was "good," but her good was the opposite of mine. As God warned us long ago:[/FONT]
[FONT="]"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness." Isaiah 5:20-21[/FONT]
Excerpt: [FONT="]Reviving Witchcraft![/FONT]
Reviving Witchcraft
Well, I'm a witch and I do pray. So that portrayal of witches is not true of all witches, not that I think it is inaccurate. She seems to have been a good person. Indeed it seems even the speaker thought she was a good, well meaning person.
His problem with her was simply a particular understanding of a particular scripture.
Sad.
I pray for different things in different ways. I have some Jewish friends who tell me their prayers are sometimes like conversations with their Lord, sometimes needy, sometimes funny and sometimes just full of praise. My prayers are often like that too.I am sure that as with anything there are variations and some who are witches pray and some don't. I suppose the question is who does one pray to? Who do you pray to and what is your motive for praying? I'm asking out of interest, but you don't have to answer if you'd rather not.
I pray for different things in different ways. I have some Jewish friends who tell me their prayers are sometimes like conversations with their Lord, sometimes needy, sometimes funny and sometimes just full of praise. My prayers are often like that too.
I generally pray to the universe (or to be more precise, the creative force I believe to be immanent in the universe) or to my matron Goddess.
Mostly I pray for guidance or just because I want to share my thoughts with divinity. I do sometimes pray for help with certain things, however, as a witch I take personal responsibility seriously and try to do what I can through magic or you might prefer the phrase will-power. As, Draka has said, this can also be seen as a form of prayer.
Thank you very much for sharing. I also pray in conversation style, speaking freely and honestly to God about my concerns. I believe in God as a personal and caring Creator who holds all power over heaven and earth and knows what is best for each situation.
I guess the main differences that I see between your perspective and the way you pray and the biblical form of prayer is the object of prayer immanent universe/matron Goddess or Creator God and whose power is being sought the Creators will and power or ones own power and will through magic.
I have a very close friend who was involved in Wicca for many years and has shared her experiences/perspective with me. She is now loves and trusts Jesus Christ. She says she used to have much more confusion and fear in her life and now she truly has peace. But that is just her perspective.
I have a very close friend who was involved in Wicca for many years and has shared her experiences/perspective with me. She is now loves and trusts Jesus Christ. She says she used to have much more confusion and fear in her life and now she truly has peace. But that is just her perspective.
What if there is a personal Creator and the desire of this Creator is that people seek Him for knowledge and wisdom rather than self or an immanent power?
And likewise many who have left Christ now say they live without fear. Just another perspective.
I think the article InChrist is quoting assumes the answer to an important question that has not yet been asked: Is witchcraft selfish? Or perhaps the question more refined to the specific aspect of witchcraft being discussed: Is that act of invoking forces through the use of your will to change your surroundings selfish? I wonder how the people in this thread would answer that.
Are you really already reduced to the "what if" game?What if there is a personal Creator and the desire of this Creator is that people seek Him for knowledge and wisdom rather than self or an immanent power?
I think the answer to the first part of your question is fairly simple. When addressing prayers to the universe or any God or Goddess it is principally the same power that is being sought. The highest power. You may use the word GOD, and so might I on some occasions, but generally the universe makes more sense to me personally. On the other hand there are times when I want to approach divinity in a more personal way, through the lens of a particular personality and then I speak to my Matron Goddess in much the same way as you might address your prayers to Jesus.I guess the main differences that I see between your perspective and the way you pray and the biblical form of prayer is the object of prayer immanent universe/matron Goddess or Creator God and whose power is being sought the Creators will and power or ones own power and will through magic.
Well good for her. Seriously. I don't believe there is any "one size fits all" religion. If your friend has found peace and purpose in her Christian beliefs then I genuinely wish her well. My story was the opposite way round. I started in Christianity and after a lot of searching found myself much more at home and comfortable as a Pagan.I have a very close friend who was involved in Wicca for many years and has shared her experiences/perspective with me. She is now loves and trusts Jesus Christ. She says she used to have much more confusion and fear in her life and now she truly has peace. But that is just her perspective.
What if there is a personal Creator and the desire of this Creator is that people seek Him for knowledge and wisdom rather than self or an immanent power?