Venezuela Blocking Humanitarian Aid

[esmith]

Humanitarian Aid Arrives For Venezuela — But Maduro Blocks It

Will there be a civil war in Venezuela, and if so, what side will the Venezuela military take?
What is the possibility of military intervention by the UN.
What is the possibility of a military intervention by a collation of nations.
What is the possibility that Maduro will accept an offer to leave the country.

 

[Woberts]

What is the possibility of military intervention by the UN.
What is the possibility of a military intervention by a collation of nations.
What is the possibility that Maduro will accept an offer to leave the country.

Hopefully, none.

 

[sun rise]

But of course if refugees from that horror show turn up on our border seeking legal asylum they are automatically terrorists come to rape and transport drugs as well as spread disease so we need to separate children and parents at the border.

If the current regime in Washington truly cared about the welfare of the people there, we'd open our borders to them as we did for Cuban refugees. But what I hear is big beautiful wall.

 

[esmith]

Hopefully, none.

Then how do you see the current situation being resolved?

 

[esmith]

But of course if refugees from that horror show turn up on our border seeking legal asylum they are automatically terrorists come to rape and transport drugs as well as spread disease so we need to separate children and parents at the border.

If the current regime in Washington truly cared about the welfare of the people there, we'd open our borders to them as we did for Cuban refugees. But what I hear is big beautiful wall.

I really don't think they want to leave their country, they just want it back.
But possibly you don't understand that, you may just want to make a issue about something else; which you did.

 

[Woberts]

Then how do you see the current situation being resolved?

Without another Pinochet installed by America. They need to diversify, economically speaking.
Their economy runs on oil, of which the price had plummeted for so long that it's done immense damage to their economy.

 

[esmith]

Without another Pinochet installed by America. They need to diversify, economically speaking.
Their economy runs on oil, of which the price had plummeted for so long that it's done immense damage to their economy.

The last time I heard anything the U.S. and a majority of nations are supporting Juan Guaido as a replacement for Maduro. I do not understand how you make the assumption that Juan Guaido is another Pinochet. Or are you just expressing frustration.

On the issue with Venezuela economy I think you are over simplifying the problems. Maybe a little reading will expand your thinking.
4 reasons why Venezuela became the world's worst economy

I also think you can blame the socialist government for about 100% of the problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is a good time for a jab at socialism.
But I'm going to go shovel up some ice instead.
(You can thank me later.)

 

[esmith]

This is a good time for a jab at socialism.
But I'm going to go shovel up some ice instead.
(You can thank me later.)

Now Now Rev, it's been raining for almost 4 days and more in sight. If you start shoveling ice, you are depriving me of the opportunity for having a little bit of fun.....gee whiz.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now Now Rev, it's been raining for almost 4 days and more in sight. If you start shoveling ice, you are depriving me of the opportunity for having a little bit of fun.....gee whiz.

I'll leave your ice alone, & shovel only me own.

 

[Stanyon]

But of course if refugees from that horror show turn up on our border seeking legal asylum they are automatically terrorists come to rape and transport drugs as well as spread disease so we need to separate children and parents at the border.

If the current regime in Washington truly cared about the welfare of the people there, we'd open our borders to them as we did for Cuban refugees. But what I hear is big beautiful wall.

Funny you would post that sentence before the one I put in bold, I'm sure you remember Castro emptying his jails and sending to the U.S. not only political prisoners but those who were convicted of murder, rape, etc.
and this:
Already Reeling Venezuela Faces a New Challenge: An HIV Outbreak-Public Health Watch

On the Front Lines of Venezuela's Worsening HIV/AIDS Crisis | Americas Quarterly

Compassion, even if it kills us

 

[suncowiam]

Funny you would post that sentence before the one I put in bold, I'm sure you remember Castro emptying his jails and sending to the U.S. not only political prisoners but those who were convicted of murder, rape, etc.
and this:
Already Reeling Venezuela Faces a New Challenge: An HIV Outbreak-Public Health Watch

On the Front Lines of Venezuela's Worsening HIV/AIDS Crisis | Americas Quarterly

Compassion, even if it kills us

So all the possible immigrants outside of US are simply murderers, rapists or infected by HIV?

Immigrants literally only fall into those three buckets? And, no compassion even for folks with HIV? Because why? HIV folks simply want to spread their HIVness around.

What is the logic here?

Sounds to me, it follows the conservative propaganda of fear and paranoia.

 

[Stanyon]

So all the possible immigrants outside of US are simply murderers, rapists or infected by HIV?
Immigrants literally only fall into those three buckets? .

That isn't what I said but it seems you need that simplistic interpretation to justify your self serving narrative.

 

[suncowiam]

That isn't what I said but it seems you need that simplistic interpretation to justify your self serving narrative.

What did you say, because I quoted your comment.

It only referenced Cuba's murderers, rapists and HIV cases in Venezuela. If that was the narrative I drew, well, that was simply based on the narrow narrative you provided.

Would you like to elaborate on that?

 

[Revoltingest]

Socialism....preserving dignity of the masses by starving
rather than take handouts from capitalist running dogs.
Of course, socialist leaders themselves don't starve.

 

[Stanyon]

What did you say, because I quoted your comment.
It only referenced Cuba's murderers, rapists and HIV cases in Venezuela. If that was the narrative I drew, well, that was simply based on the narrow narrative you provided.

And your desire to serve your own agenda that is apparent in the last lines of your post #12. It is apparent that you need to keep the narrative within your own parametres to justify your propaganda.

 

[Shad]

Humanitarian Aid Arrives For Venezuela — But Maduro Blocks It

Will there be a civil war in Venezuela, and if so, what side will the Venezuela military take?

Right now? Maduro. The opposition has not been able rally the majority military from what I have heard/read

From what I have read a lot of the military officer core pledges allegiance to Maduro already. A few enlisted personnel

This is what I have read as well. Also the courts have sided with Maduro.

What is the possibility of military intervention by the UN.

Zero. Russia and China are backing Maduro thus will veto any intervention against Maduro. The US will do the same if intervention is pro-Maduro.

What is the possibility of a military intervention by a collation of nations.

Unless it is formed by nations in CA and SA little in my view. I thinking warfare via proxies is more likely.

What is the possibility that Maduro will accept an offer to leave the country.

At this time? Zero.

 

[suncowiam]

And your desire to serve your own agenda that is apparent in the last lines of your post #12. It is apparent that you need to keep the narrative within your own parametres to justify your propaganda.

The one thing I did mention was how you paralleled the conservative use of fear and paranoia. Yes, your comments fit that narrative very much. Yes, it was part of my post #12.

My propaganda as you put it is that conservatives tend to place their beliefs on fear and paranoia. Oh... It's not just my "narrative" but have studies to base it. So possibly it's not just a personal narrative but actually something more broad and general about conservative behaviorism.
Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes | Psychology Today

Anyhows... This is going no where. Immigrants are more than murderers, rapists or HIV infected. That is a direct counter to #11. If you disagree, then elaborate. If not, then we're in agreement.

 

[Woberts]

Or are you just expressing frustration.

Yes. Of course, America has a terrible track record in South America. The Platt amendment is one of the best (worst?) examples of this.

On the issue with Venezuela economy I think you are over simplifying the problems. Maybe a little reading will expand your thinking.
4 reasons why Venezuela became the world's worst economy

Of course I am. I doubt that you'll want to read an essay, and I certainly don't want to write one.

I also think you can blame the socialist government for about 100% of the problem.

You are pretty far off. Socialism has nothing to do with this. Falling oil prices and imperialist interference does, however.

 

[Stanyon]

The one thing I did mention was how you paralleled the conservative use of fear and paranoia. Yes, your comments fit that narrative very much. Yes, it was part of my post #12.

My propaganda as you put it is that conservatives tend to place their beliefs on fear and paranoia. Oh... It's not just my "narrative" but have studies to base it. So possibly it's not just a personal narrative but actually something more broad and general about conservative behaviorism.
Fear and Anxiety Drive Conservatives' Political Attitudes | Psychology Today

Anyhows... This is going no where. Immigrants are more than murderers, rapists or HIV infected. That is a direct counter to #11. If you disagree, then elaborate. If not, then we're in agreement.

There was nothing in my post that was untrue and I find it interesting you conveniently left out my mention of political prisoners from Cuba, some could be jailed for simply criticising Castro. You are correct in saying this is going nowhere, your insistence in stroking your agenda makes honest discussion impossible. Paint away with your admittedly broad and general assumptions, it is of no concern to me.