A recent study has found that vegans get 43% more bone fractures than the general population.
Vegans at higher risk of bone fractures, study finds - CNN
Vegans at higher risk of bone fractures, study finds - CNN
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I mean...people drink milk because of calcium .
If it were useless...doctors would not advise it.
If it were useless...doctors would not advise it.
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That's because they don't do dairy.
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Or is it because they don't eat bacon?
This is framed like ye old study any vegan would turn to after seeing this and 'oh yeah? Well meat eaters have higher chance of cancer, altzheimers, atherosclerosis and a number of other ailments.'
Is it really because of dietary changes only or does it also account for vegans having a higher rate of physical activity, including outdoor sports like hiking? How about vegans being higher percent female, thus more prone to metabolic bone disease? In fact the difference seems to only really be in post menopausal women with low bmi who stopped exercising post menopause. Were they on hormone replacement to counteract the effects?
Would recommending hormone treatment and continued exercise as well as macro nutrient adjustments with age be a better recommendation than just 'don't be vegan?'
Questions the study doesn't answer.
Is it really because of dietary changes only or does it also account for vegans having a higher rate of physical activity, including outdoor sports like hiking? How about vegans being higher percent female, thus more prone to metabolic bone disease? In fact the difference seems to only really be in post menopausal women with low bmi who stopped exercising post menopause. Were they on hormone replacement to counteract the effects?
Would recommending hormone treatment and continued exercise as well as macro nutrient adjustments with age be a better recommendation than just 'don't be vegan?'
Questions the study doesn't answer.
Altfish
Veteran Member
It is because they fall out of trees whilst gathering fruit.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Does the report actually claim that
"Vegans have 43% more bone fractures", as per the thread title?
I've found the part that says
"a 43% higher risk of fractures"
which is of course not the same thing.
"Vegans have 43% more bone fractures", as per the thread title?
I've found the part that says
"a 43% higher risk of fractures"
which is of course not the same thing.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
The best line is saved till last:
"It's never about a ... dietary pattern. It is all about the quality."
"It's never about a ... dietary pattern. It is all about the quality."
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
I take it to mean the overriding issue is not whether you have a plant-based or a meat-based diet, but the quality within that choice. (I'm a participant in a longitudinal study called UK Biobank, through this I know that I have good bone density).uhhhh...quality isn't a dietary pattern???
then why couldn't they have just said that?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
If you read the article it does appear to be the same thing. Though that does not necessarily mean that diet is the cause. For example I broke three bones in my left foot while going to college. I was not a vegan or vegetarian. Diet had nothing to do with the broken bones. It was due to skateboarding. If a group is more involved with strenuous or risky physical behavior there will be an increased risk of fractures. Vegans may be more into high impact sports than omnivores.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Well... I did read the article.
It seems rich in caveats.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
I only eat bananas, but both green and yellow for variety.
Now that I recall, I did break a bone while I was vegan, but like @Subduction Zone , I was skateboarding. '
Or, really, I was attempting to skateboard, and that was the problem... (I quickly gave it up. Couldn't afford the time off work a broken bone forced me to take.)
Though I ate very few bananas during that period. I ate a lot of wacky cake.
Or, really, I was attempting to skateboard, and that was the problem... (I quickly gave it up. Couldn't afford the time off work a broken bone forced me to take.)
Though I ate very few bananas during that period. I ate a lot of wacky cake.
Secret Chief
nirvana is samsara
Certainly not!
Humans evolved to be omnivores, which we can tell from our gut and our dentition. What we should be eating is FOOD, yes, mostly plants, plus proteins, mostly fish, but a little other dense protein is okay. Along with moderate dairy (milk, cheeses and eggs and the like). Choose natural foods, rather than processed, choose whole grains, rather refined, and choose oils like EVOO. And don't overeat!
That's a healthy diet. It's also, basically, a "mediterranean" diet.