• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Vatican Pontifical Academy For Life issues statement Supreme Court abortion decision

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
...and don't we all know it. This is the ridiculous position the Catholic church finds itself in: the best way by far to avoid the need for abortions is widespread and effective contraception. So the teaching of the church - and hence the reluctance of schools with a Catholic ethos to teach the importance of effective contraception in sex education - results in more abortions!
This is why I use the term "anti-choice": they aren't really pro-life, and they aren't even anti-abortion.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
They control some governments and hospitals, not all.
You know why I am happy about this decision? :)
Because this will stir things up. This will force the people to demand universal free healthcare in those states. So health care will become a local matter. Not a federal matter any more. Each state will be free to decide.
And I guess you and I both agree that universal healthcare in the country being the beacon of the West is a guarantee.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Why do we have its minions running the highest court in the land?
Good question. Like Barrett's commencement speech she gave to graduating lawyers using their position to bring about Jehovah's laws and ways.
Dominionist of any denomination should be barred from serving as it is inherently and fundamentally incompatible with the First's separation of Church and State.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
You know why I am happy about this decision? :)
Because this will stir things up. This will force the people to demand universal free healthcare in those states. So health care will become a local matter. Not a federal matter any more. Each state will be free to decide.
And I guess you and I both agree that universal healthcare in the country being the beacon of the West is a guarantee.
Won't happen. Those red states that are against abortion are also against expanding healthcare and fought against doing so under the ACA.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
This is why I use the term "anti-choice": they aren't really pro-life, and they aren't even anti-abortion.
What they really are is anti-sex. That is one of the baleful themes running through the whole of Christianity, thanks to St. Paul. One can understand why, culturally, sex needed to be so strongly controlled in a society in which women were chattels and there was no contraception, but hanging on to the same negative attitudes towards sex in the modern world is plainly absurd. It has become one of the principal reasons for the decline in religious affiliation.

The sexual abuse scandals are a product of this negative attitude towards sex.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Statistics say that at least one or two might consider the idea.
Won't happen in a red state. Those Republicans leading those states don't believe it's fair or right to just give people things, even if it is something so vitally necessary like healthcare. They believe it should be attached to a job as a means of reward and motivating people to work.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Won't happen in a red state. Those Republicans leading those states don't believe it's fair or right to just give people things, even if it is something so vitally necessary like healthcare. They believe it should be attached to a job as a means of reward and motivating people to work.
It deals with the least densely populated states in the world. So little population, immense spaces and resources. We are not speaking of New York. We are speaking of very little populations, so universal healthcare is affordable and perfectly doable. If there is the will, it will happen.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Won't happen in a red state. Those Republicans leading those states don't believe it's fair or right to just give people things, even if it is something so vitally necessary like healthcare. They believe it should be attached to a job as a means of reward and motivating people to work.
In Europe people pay taxes...lots of taxes to get universal healthcare so nothing is for free.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It deals with the least densely populated states in the world. So little population, immense spaces and resources. We are not speaking of New York. We are speaking of very little populations, so universal healthcare is affordable and perfectly doable. If there is the will, it will happen.
Won't happen in a red state. It is their mentality. Population has diddly squat to do with it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
In Europe people pay taxes...lots of taxes to get universal healthcare so nothing is for free.
They believe it is a freebie for these hordes of lazy poor they believe exist. They are so bad about this they even label Social Security and entitlement program even though that is something we pay directly into with our paychecks for the purpose of retirement later on.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
They believe it is a freebie for these hordes of lazy poor they believe exist. They are so bad about this they even label Social Security and entitlement program even though that is something we pay directly into with our paychecks for the purpose of retirement later on.
Let's debunk some myths.
Medical visits in public hospitals are not free. You book them, and you pay an affordable price (it varies from region to region).
What is free is emergencies. People taken into the emergency room because they are very sick.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Let's debunk some myths.
Medical visits in public hospitals are not free. You book them, and you pay an affordable price (it varies from region to region).
What is free is emergencies. People taken into the emergency room because they are very sick.
Tell this to Republicans. They are the ones who believe that universal healthcare would be tremendously unfair to the "successful" and everyone else fortunate enough to get decent health insurance from an employer.
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
It seems to me that that document implicitly suppports contraception to avoid unwanted pregnancies.

Not necessarily or even likely. Religious employers are allowed to refuse to provide their employees with health insurance that covers contraceptives.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Good question. Like Barrett's commencement speech she gave to graduating lawyers using their position to bring about Jehovah's laws and ways.
Dominionist of any denomination should be barred from serving as it is inherently and fundamentally incompatible with the First's separation of Church and State.
We can't really bar such people from serving.
But we can inform leaders that we want justices
who'll treat the Constitution and a diverse public
as paramount. And we want some diversity, ie,
not just Catholics & a couple other of similar ilk.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
We can't really bar such people from serving.
But we can inform leaders that we want justices
who'll treat the Constitution and a diverse public
as paramount. And we want some diversity, ie,
not just Catholics & a couple other of similar ilk.
The States banning abortion right now are either Southern Baptist majority and/or Evangelical majority.
So it is not just "Catholics". ;)
 
Top