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Vatican Pontifical Academy For Life issues statement Supreme Court abortion decision

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
For men maybe.
As for women, we all dream of the prince charming.
And by the way, Italian women are not turned on by bisexuals so they look for 100% heterosexual men. And handsome.

With these premises...do you think it is easy to find a man with whom one has sex chemistry?
Imagine the odds of getting pregnant .
History shows that abstinence fails.
Even those who believe that only men pursue
whoopee must acknowledge that extra-marital
sex has always happened frequently.
(Although I suspect that even Italian women
have some minimal sex drive that leads to sin.)
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
History shows that abstinence fails.
Even those who believe that only men pursue
whoopee must acknowledge that extra-marital
sex has always happened frequently.
(Although I suspect that even Italian women
have some minimal sex drive that leads to sin.)
Of course. There are lots of women here who enjoy promiscuity and see men only as erotic preys.
But, since sex is almost like a mission to them, they go well equipped on this mission. Because their goal is to enjoy sex. Not to get pregnant.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Of course. There are lots of women here who enjoy promiscuity and see men only as erotic preys.
But, since sex is almost like a mission to them, they go well equipped on this mission. Because their goal is to enjoy sex. Not to get pregnant.
And yet, unintended pregnancies happen.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes, but if all people used contraceptives, the abortion rates would be much lower.
If this...if that...
Piffle!
We cannot assume that people will behave differently
from what they're bound to do. Public policy must take
human nature into account. If we assumed that all
people would just be good, responsible, intelligent, tolerant,
chaste, god fearing, & fully aware of consequences of all
actions, then laws could be strict with severe punishment.
But laws must apply to humans. And they are a mess.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
If this...if that...
Piffle!
We cannot assume that people will behave differently
from what they're bound to do. Public policy must take
human nature into account. If we assumed that all
people would just be good, responsible, intelligent, tolerant,
chaste, god fearing, & fully aware of consequences of all
actions, then laws could be strict with severe punishment.
But laws must apply to humans. And they are a mess.

I think chastity has nothing to do with that

There are prostitutes who never get pregnamt because they use so many contraceptives.
And there might be the high school girl who gets pregnant after making love with her first bf.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
R.ef927e706aa164d6d03a1b393dd08826
 

KW

Well-Known Member
Why do we give a damn about what a criminal organization who shelters and harbors child rapist has to say on it?

Why do you post lies over and over?

The Church has over 400,000 priests and a 2.2 billion members. There will be some actively gay creeps in any group that big. That happened to the Church but it is slowly purging these people from the ministry.

That doesn't make the organization criminal any more than OJ Simpson makes black people murderers.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
The Vatican may want to address its child abuse epidemic if it cares about children instead of embroiling itself in politics and issuing statements supporting restrictions on the freedoms of people who don't believe in or practice Catholic doctrine.

This has been addressed for decades. The Catholic Church is now the safest place in the world for kids and has been for over 20 years. They are decades ahead of other churches in child safety practices.

*mod edit*
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
This has been addressed for decades. The Catholic Church is now the safest place in the world for kids and has been for over 20 years. They are decades ahead of other churches in child safety practices.

*mod edit*
I sense someone in denial.
Such abuse has been documented going back a millennium.
It's all suddenly ended now?
The church says that it now investigates itself.
How could that go wrong?
The global scale of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia
 
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KW

Well-Known Member
I sense someone in denial.
Such abuse has been documented going back a millennium.
It's all suddenly ended now?
The church says that it now investigates itself.
How could that go wrong?
The global scale of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia


I sense someone who has no clue on this subject and prefers to remain ignorant.

The National Review Board, recruiting a research team from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, released its initial report in 2004. The results were conclusive: This was not a "pedophile" scandal, but a homosexual scandal. Eighty percent of the alleged victims were male, and nearly 90 percent were post-pubescent, with "only a small percentage of priests receiving allegations of abusing young children."
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I sense someone who has no clue on this subject and prefers to remain ignorant.

The National Review Board, recruiting a research team from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, released its initial report in 2004. The results were conclusive: This was not a "pedophile" scandal, but a homosexual scandal. Eighty percent of the alleged victims were male, and nearly 90 percent were post-pubescent, with "only a small percentage of priests receiving allegations of abusing young children."
It indeed wasn't just a pedophilia scandal. Strictly speaking
it was also an ephebophilia scandal. No matter what a review
board found, the fundamental problems leading to child abuse
remain, eg, celibacy requirement, church power structure that's
separate from the governmental justice system.
Even if child abuse has been curbed lately, the stage is set for
it to rise again. Blaming & banning gay men won't fix the problem.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
It indeed wasn't just a pedophilia scandal. Strictly speaking
it was also an ephebophilia scandal. No matter what a review
board found, the fundamental problems leading to child abuse
remain, eg, celibacy requirement, church power structure that's
separate from the governmental justice system.
Even if child abuse has been curbed lately, the stage is set for
it to rise again. Blaming & banning gay men won't fix the problem.


Yes it will fix the problem. The problem was caused primarily by gay men who had no desire to be priests in the first place. Gay liberals infested a few seminaries and created this crisis. It is being resolved.

The Catholic Church has virtually eliminated abuse. In the past 20 years there is no safer organization in the world. 1.3 billion people and almost no abuse.

No other organization is close to as safe as the Catholic Church today.

60 million US Catholics ( note that these 22 cases are just allegations, so we don't know how many actual cases occurred)

The report concerns an audit year that runs from July 1, 2019 through June 30, 2020.
Suzanne Healey, chair of the National Review Board, said the audit identified 22 allegations of abuse occurring recently. In each case civil authorities were also notified of the allegation so that local law enforcement could address the problems as needed.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yes it will fix the problem. The problem was caused primarily by gay men who had no desire to be priests in the first place. Gay liberals infested a few seminaries and created this crisis. It is being resolved.
That strikes me as too simplistic & certain a pronouncement.
To merely declare "mission accomplished" regarding solving
a massive problem that lasted many centuries sounds more
like public relations than factual.
 

KW

Well-Known Member
That strikes me as too simplistic & certain a pronouncement.
To merely declare "mission accomplished" regarding solving
a massive problem that lasted many centuries sounds more
like public relations than factual.

Reality is often simple.

This is an ongoing mission and it will never end. No one is saying mission accomplished.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I sense someone in denial.
Such abuse has been documented going back a millennium.
It's all suddenly ended now?
The church says that it now investigates itself.
How could that go wrong?
The global scale of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia

I have moved from town to town when I was a kid. 7 years here, 7 years there.
Two different dioceses.
I have always changed parish. And I have met excellent priests. Who were not just people.
Even as a kid I realized they were living in a superior dimension. Superior than the one I have lived. And this dimension does not include sex.
The priests of my First Communion and Confirmation were saints, I can promise you that.

And it is not fair to go on with this story.
Just because of few rotten apples.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I have moved from town to town when I was a kid. 7 years here, 7 years there.
Two different dioceses.
I have always changed parish. And I have met excellent priests. Who were not just people.
Even as a kid I realized they were living in a superior dimension. Superior than the one I have lived. And this dimension does not include sex.
The priests of my First Communion and Confirmation were saints, I can promise you that.

And it is not fair to go on with this story.
Just because of few rotten apples.
I thought it would be obvious that not all priests were
child abusers. So I'll state so...not all priests are bad.
You were fortunate.

As for being in another dimension, on that I can agree.
But a superior one? Piffle.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Nope. This depends on how you are defining “weak”. If actually practiced abstinence is 100% effective as a contraceptive. Unlike other forms of contraceptives which are less than 100% effective. There is nothing in nature that precludes abstinence. This is clear since many people can and do practice abstinence. So any weakness is with the practitioner, not the method. The Catholic Church is not responsible for the malpractice of some of its members. Just as those who misuse other forms of contraception don’t disprove their effectiveness either.

That's a very "Christian" attitude, Shaul.

Declare something to be wrong, ignore how difficult it is to avoid doing it (the sex drive is incredibly powerful), then when people don't measure up, label them as "sinners". Oh, then offer forgiveness at a price. An old old scam.

Though what you say about abstinence being optional is technically correct.
 
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