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Vaccinations in Israel

Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Politics' started by Jake1001, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. Jake1001

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    I noticed the jab there (pun unintended) about the contrast between Israel and the PA. As usual, the NYT sneaking in their agenda without properly discussing the issue. Israel is under no legal obligation to vaccinate the Palestinians or assist with any of their medical needs, per the Oslo Accords. - BBC Admits Claim That Israel Is Responsible for Vaccinating Palestinians Is Wrong, Healthcare in the State of Palestine - Wikipedia, The COVID vaccine blood libel against Israel
    As for morals or ethics? Well, we have a heck of a lot to discuss on this subject, mostly to point out the blatant hypocrisy.

    Also, utterly ignoring that despite said zero legal obligation, these happened: Israel to vaccinate 120,000 Palestinian workers — report, https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/03/isr...-doses-to-palestinians-is-inadequate-hrw.html, Israel acknowledges it gave 100 COVID vaccine doses to the Palestinian Authority

    Now, some of you may be wondering: There are apparently roughly 180,000 infected Palestinians; this is peanuts compared to what they should receive. But the question here is, from whom should they receive the vaccines? And why?
     
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    You're the one that claims the Palestinians are living in Israel so of course they should receive vaccinations from Israel. But of course Israel is an apartheid and racist regime, so the Palestinians will get nothing.
     
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    In fact, Israel is probably under no legal obligation to vaccinate Israeli citizens, either, which the NYT also omitted, possibly by neferious intent or malicious oversight if we are deliberately looking for villains.
     
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    Actually, the would probably be great for their next "bombshell headline": Israel sees only moral obligation to vaccinate its citizens and not Palestinians"........
     
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    I mean, that's probably also factually true, if we reduce our perception of "Israel" to the conservative elements of its society and its dominant governing ideologies and parties.
     
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    You can't have it both ways, if the occupied territories are part of Israel then you have to vaccinate the Palestinians, on the other hand if the occupied territories are actually an independent Palestinian state, then you are not obligated to vaccinate. You decide which one it is then act accordingly
     
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    According to the Oslo Accords the Palestinians are responsible for their healthcare systems. The Palestinians agree to this. The Israelis agree to this. The Palestinians are responsible for any Covid 19 vaccinations within Areas A and B.
     
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    complete rubbish, its your damn country, take care of its people!! Israel has refused to follow the Oslo accords for decades
     
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    The Palestinians are dependent on Israeli border control to let through any goods and services from outside, are they not?
     
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    Yes Israel controls external borders of Palestine, but that is irrelevant to this issue. Israel has imposed no restrictions on Palestinians ability to procure vaccine. Indeed Israel has provided vaccine to the Palestinians for free. In addition Palestinian oligarchs have redirected vaccine away from those most needing it to the politically connected.

    Palestinian COVID-19 vaccine rollout under fire over doses for VIPs
     
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    It's not exactly irrelevant. The Palestinian territories don't have any sort of domestic vaccine production, so they are reliant on imports that pass through Israeli border controls, so Israel effectively exerts control over the vaccination of the Palestinian Arab population regardless of the policy goals of the Palestinian authority.

    Meanwhile, Israeli businesses continue to rely on exploited immigrant labor from the Territories, so one could argue that it is actually in the interest of Israelis that as many Palestinians as possible get vaccinated. Not that this is likely going to change Likud's decisionmaking process, of course.
     
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    Since Israel has not restricted any Palestinian importation of Covid vaccine it is certainly quite irrelevant. You also totally overlooked, as mentioned into article I cited, that Israel has been providing the Palestinians with vaccine. It has committed to providing 100,000 doses to the Palestinians already.
     
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    Israel has vaccinated 30% of its population and 80% of its population who are over 60 years old.
     
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    So you admit that the Palestinians aren't part of Israel?
     
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    That makes no sense. Israelis are Palestinians. Some are Arab Palestinians, some are Samaritan Palestinians, some are Druze Palestinians and some are Jewish Palestinians. Palestine is a region. The State of Israel is part of the region. As is portions of the region claimed by some Arabs. Areas which are currently under the sovereignty of the State of Israel until final negotiations.

    What you wrote is like saying I admitted the Europeans aren’t part of the French. It makes no sense.
     
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