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Featured Vaccinations and Religious Exemptions

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by IndigoChild5559, Feb 1, 2019.

  1. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Have you not been reading my posts in this thread?

    FGM damages, in fact obliterates, a bodily function. Circumcision does not.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Again, you are comparing mutilation, where the normal function of a body part is impaired or destroyed (as it is in FGM) with cosmetic surgery.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Which is exactly what parents do in the case of circumcision. It is in the best interest of the Jewish child to be initiated into the Tribe.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    The facts are that one destroys a bodily function and the other does not.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Again, FGM destroys a bodily function. Puhleeze.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You need to butt out of tribal matters and stop imposing your outsider views. It's ethnocentric.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    That view is individualism. It isn't TRULY the view that community has its own inherent rights.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I have talked with my husband and brothers, all of which were circumcised. There is not a problem with it. They can urinate, enjoy sex, and all of them have fathered children.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    And you are imposing YOUR cultural values on my tribe. That's ethnocentrism and its arrogant.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna
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    Like I said, you can continue to be wrong. You seem hellbent on that.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna
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    Again, don't whine about FGM, lest you be hypocritical. Human sacrifice should be cool, too.
     
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    That's correct: the rights are inherent in the individual.

    But let's unpack your idea of "inherent community rights" a bit: what rights do you think the larger secular community has to restrict its members and sub-groups, such as Jews and Jewish families?
     
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    Both involve cutting away at a baby's genitalia. Without the baby's consent. Neither are medically necessary for the health and well-being of the baby.
    The fact that you think "cosmetic surgery" on a baby's penis is not only acceptable but justifiably better somehow, than altering a baby's clitoris is bizarre to me, and just plain wrong.

    Why not wait until babies are old enough to make their own decisions about what "cosmetic surgery" they would like performed on their genitals (or anywhere)? Why must it be done on babies who cannot consent to having their genitalia altered and also have no ability to grasp any sort of religious ideas?
     
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    They don't have any experience with a foreskin either though, do they?

    So if I can find a guy who says it did negatively effect him, then what?
     
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    The same could be said of a person who was given a good, hard slap as a baby. Should we be slapping babies?
     
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    Actually, I'm not. I'm saying that all people should be able to make decisions about their own bodies, without such decisions being imposed on them by others.

    Your view is that such decisions should be imposed on them. My view is that people should be able to make their own decisions.
    Notice the giant difference. In that light, what is arrogant about my position?

    And you can bet your bottom dollar that if some religious group is bringing harm to people, I'm going to have something to say about it. Religious belief doesn't give people free reign to do whatever they want to people. You seem to think it does, and quite honestly, I find that view to be wholly immoral and has been the cause of massive amounts of human suffering over the millennia.
     
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    I find your view wholly immoral. You just said that it's fine and dandy to sacrifice children to gods. That's called murder - I don't care what tribe you belong to.

    My "cultural values" are that people have the right to decide for themselves what they want done to their own bodies, without it being imposed upon them, when they are unable to consent to any of it. If you think that's arrogant, then so be it. I find it obvious and reasonable.
     
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    Why can't they be "initiated into the tribe" after they reach an age where they have the ability to understand what it means to be a member of the tribe, and when they can consent to having parts of their body removed? Why must it be imposed upon them before this?
     
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