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Using Hitler as a tool in argumentation and debate

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Stevicus, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. Stevicus

    Stevicus Veteran Member
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    I think in The Blues Brothers, they were using it for comedic effect more than anything else.

    Although somewhat unrelated, I have seen those complain about using the Nazis as a source of comedy, such as those who complain about Hogan's Heroes. Many thought it was in poor taste and considered it offensive.
     
  2. ImmortalFlame

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    Emphasis mine:

    Central planning & great control over the economy, even over
    private business is a far cry from a free economy. The "socialist"
    label fits well
    , albeit with a distinctive German flavor.

    Using Hitler as a tool in argumentation and debate

    Socialism is all about the people (ie, government) controlling
    the means of production.

    Using Hitler as a tool in argumentation and debate

    You're missing the central defining trait of socialism, ie, control over
    the means of production. Privatization while retaining control is
    still socialist. When banning unions serves greater government
    control, it serves socialism.

    Using Hitler as a tool in argumentation and debate

    (RE: definition of socialism being control of the means of production by the workers or community)
    ....Or by government.
    If any one of these entities takes control, it's socialism.
    It doesn't matter which, per the definition.

    Using Hitler as a tool in argumentation and debate

    You repeatedly asserted that socialism was defined by government control.

    Maybe not. You seem to have admitted your error now and acknowledged that "government ownership" isn't part of the definition of socialism.
     
  3. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Most dishonest RF propagandist - Staff certified!
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  4. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    No we use "mixed economy" to describe the "European" style of government.
    Its actual blend, depends on the makeup of the government at any particular time. as most are coalitions of parties.

    Although the rare coalitions have always been very effective in the UK, voters do not understand them and so hate them. and they never last more than one term. even though they are the direct result of how people voted.
     
  5. Terrywoodenpic

    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Control is the function of Government of what ever flavour.

    The USA splits that control between President, The House and the Senate. so it is rarely fully effective.
    However it has tighter financial controls and regulations than any European country.
     
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    Revoltingest Most dishonest RF propagandist - Staff certified!
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    I prefer my neologism because people are unfamiliar with it.
    So it confuses them. I like that.
     
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    Revoltingest Most dishonest RF propagandist - Staff certified!
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    You're generous towards us.
    Our financial controls seem simultaneously detailed, sloppy, & wanton.
    An example from recent news....
    Pentagon racks up $35 trillion in accounting changes in a year...
     
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    Terrywoodenpic Oldest Heretic

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    Control of its own finances are very lax.
    However this control of the financial and commercial sector is strict
     
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    Hitler's speeches were bombastic and ever changing lies to inflame emotions and manipulate the German people.. When you see a contemporary speaker doing that its important to remember.
     
  10. tas8831

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    My gosh, right-wing religious zealots are a gullible lot....
     
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