Ok, I get that.Socotra is an island south of Yemen and Bab al Mandab is the chokepoint for access to the Red Sea.
But it still seems vastly less strategically important than the Straights of Hormuz.
What am I missing?
Tom
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US - Iran tensions on the rise
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But it still seems vastly less strategically important than the Straights of Hormuz.
What am I missing?
Tom
There is a benefit to risking this war.
Trump can get his base riled up going in to election season. It worked before. That's why he promised to reignite conflict with Iran in the first place.
You voted for him, didn't you?
Tom
I believe what she says about herself on her profile.
And she's a ladybug.
It's just possible that the Democrats are behind this mess.
By continually attacking him & all those around him, perhaps
he sees this as strategic....
- A war would stall the many investigations.
- Democrats would want to look patriotic, & support the war.
- The public has been conditioned to think Iran is on the verge
of a nuclear strike against Israel & our ships, so they're primed
for war, & would support him.
Just think...by egging them on, you're responsible too.
Starting a war with Iran would be the worst case scenario for either
candidate in the Big Two. Remember that Hillary said she was proud
to have the Iranians as her enemy, & that she'd "obliterate them" if
they attacked Israel. No peacenik she....despite your love for her.
All shipping through the Suez Canal has to pass through those straits. If that gets cut off, then all shipping would have to go around the Cape. I'm not sure what Iran's claim is on the region, since it's quite some distance from their territory.
It's a grasp of undue power, much like what USA is doing to Iran economically.
Yes, although I was wondering if they had any historical claim or some kind of stated pretext.
The U.S. leadership has claimed that they're doing all this because they believe Iran is a threat to Israel and other U.S. allies in the region.
I don't know that Iran is any kind of genuine, immediate threat to anyone at present. I'm not sure how prepared they are to go to war. Even if they somehow acquire nukes, if they ever used them, they'd be nuked, too.
On the other hand, if the U.S. invaded Iran without a valid casus belli, it could trigger a response from either China or Russia.
Historical claims are made.
Fears & wrongs are proffered.
Public claims are made.
These are to manage opinions.
They're generally independent of real motivations.
Consider China's claim of historical domain over Tibet & the S China Sea.
It's really about expansion. The claims are the excuse.
Nukes.
We should stop giving Iran good reason to have them.
(Enuf bad actors in the region already do.)
We were on that path until recently....until Trump renewed hostilities.
Look at the kind of violent lunatic (albeit a widely liked
& respected lunatic) we might've had as President.....
gleefully & musically about bombing their people?
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I agree. But at least some countries try to make it halfway believable.
Some countries didn't even make any bones about it. Germany had its "lebensraum" and Japan had its "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere."
Our expansionism in North America was justified by "Manifest Destiny."
So, it was just out of curiosity that I was wondering what Iran's excuse might have been. Perhaps it's the will of God that they have control of Socotra?
Yeah, although U.S. leadership (not just Trump) has been saying that Iran is a threat to Israel. I don't know if this is true, although it would be nice to get an objective analysis from a neutral third party to find out if Iran is a genuine bona fide threat to Israel - or if all that is a bunch of empty talk.
I remember that parody song when it came out in 1980, back during the hostage crisis. There was another parody song (taken from The Knack's "My Sharona") called "Ayatollah." A lot of people were hopping mad at Iran back then. They were also mad at Carter for not doing anything about it. Cost him the election. (There were also allegations that the rival candidate's campaign had colluded with Iran.)
In that sense, Iran is partly responsible for getting Reagan elected and steering American foreign policy in a more aggressive and warlike direction.
And with Eisenhower responsible for the coup which got the Ayatollahs in
power which got Carter neutered, he might be ultimately responsible for
Reagan getting elected, & using Iraq to attack Iran. It sure gets complicated.
As for Israel....
Everyone knows they have nuclear weapons. And it's lapdog (Ameristan)
has nukes, a bad temper, & the money to waste on another stupid war.
Iran is no existential threat to Israel.
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Yes, although Eisenhower was elected due to his popularity as a heroic general in WW2, which was caused by Hitler. Ultimately, it's Hitler's fault.
I've had difficulty buying the whole "Iran is a threat to Israel" position, since it seems to suggest that we're justified in taking action against Iran even if we just think they're a threat.
Eventually, we'll trace it all the way back to Adam & Eve.
And religious folk might even blame God.
Bingo!
Heh
I was going to point out that Hitler got a bunch of his anti-Jewish cred from sources like the Pope and Martin Luther. I was going to blame Jesus.
Tom
Trump promised to do all that in his campaign. Some people voted for him anyways.
Tom
Don't forget that the love of your life listed Iranians as her personal enemies.
I know how much you enjoy misrepresenting her. But she didn't say that.
She was just honest about the fact that decades of history had made Iran into a hostile country.
Similarly, she didn't "threaten to obliterate Iran". She pointed out that during the 10 year peace deal, we could still obliterate Iran if they attacked us or our allies with conventional weapons.
Tom
Blame the heart for the hurtin'
Blame the hurtin' on the heart
Blame the dark on the devil
Blame the devil on the dark
Blame the ex for the drinkin'
Blame the drinkin' for the ex
Blame the two for one tequilas for whatever happens next
But it ain't my fault
No it ain't my fault
Now we know who to blame, and Bingo is his name-o.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If it was that bad they would have sent their own ships over by now. Russia has done that in the past. It's just a political maneuver to get negotiations going.