BSM1
What? Me worry?
Never saw any 'Sci' to actually 'Fi' in the book, but to each their own.
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Urantia Book Questions
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Never saw any 'Sci' to actually 'Fi' in the book, but to each their own.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I saw the word "evolution" and that is a scientific term. Also words like Nebula.
LuisMarco
New Member
The Urantia Papers or The Urantia Book.
Urantia is the name of our world Earth, according to its celestial revelators; its meaning is here:
There's advanced URANTIA science validated and confirmed by our science after URANTIA's publication in October, 1955, in English, in Chicago, U.S.
Where? Here: http://UBtheNEWS.com (Urantia News: Verifying History and Science in The Urantia Book):
URANTIA is, according to its own authors (celestial invisible beings, commissioned to be revelators of its content), a divine/spiritual/celestial revelation of truth to/for us humans of this world. It's in the public domain since some years ago (2001), and it's online for free entire reading on several different independent websites.
It has 197 Papers including its 'Foreword' by the selfsame celestials, almost 2100 pages, and it is not a spiritual channeling, therefore it doesn't come from the Devil or other evil even iniquitous celestial personalities.
The best book on its origins and history is the most documented of them all (http://world-destiny.org (it's free online also: The Birth of a Divine Revelation---The Origin of The Urantia Papers)), although it doesn't cover all the items of its history. One can find them online, mainly on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestse...
Its official website:
Custodian and Publisher of The Urantia Book since 1955
This is part of what the authors of URANTIA affirm about itself on its pages 1007-1008, from paragraph 4 on (emphases in the original):
And: don’t trust the Wikipedia always, in this case in its URANTIA entry:
(…)
Urantia is the name of our world Earth, according to its celestial revelators; its meaning is here:
There's advanced URANTIA science validated and confirmed by our science after URANTIA's publication in October, 1955, in English, in Chicago, U.S.
Where? Here: http://UBtheNEWS.com (Urantia News: Verifying History and Science in The Urantia Book):
URANTIA is, according to its own authors (celestial invisible beings, commissioned to be revelators of its content), a divine/spiritual/celestial revelation of truth to/for us humans of this world. It's in the public domain since some years ago (2001), and it's online for free entire reading on several different independent websites.
It has 197 Papers including its 'Foreword' by the selfsame celestials, almost 2100 pages, and it is not a spiritual channeling, therefore it doesn't come from the Devil or other evil even iniquitous celestial personalities.
The best book on its origins and history is the most documented of them all (http://world-destiny.org (it's free online also: The Birth of a Divine Revelation---The Origin of The Urantia Papers)), although it doesn't cover all the items of its history. One can find them online, mainly on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestse...
Its official website:
Custodian and Publisher of The Urantia Book since 1955
This is part of what the authors of URANTIA affirm about itself on its pages 1007-1008, from paragraph 4 on (emphases in the original):
And: don’t trust the Wikipedia always, in this case in its URANTIA entry:
(…)
Frater Sisyphus
Contradiction, irrationality and disorder
It is such a darn interesting book, I've had a fascination with it for years (thanks to Stockhausen).
I don't believe it but I like it a lot and find various beautiful ideas in it
I don't believe it but I like it a lot and find various beautiful ideas in it
What specifically made you accept it.
Was there something about it which validated your own experience? Or, did it seem to offer a better explanation about the cosmos than Christianity did?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe my belief amounts to knowing so there is no difference.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe it is not just a book. It is a book that can encourage dangerously false concepts.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
You mean concepts like thinking for yourself?
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
Furchizedek
Member
OP, are you still there? You replied to Rapture Era, and he said,
Rapture Era said: ↑
Thats real nice but you haven't answered my question. How do you account for this?
The Urantia Book Spiritual Scam | Religious figures (modern)
What was Rapture Era's question and where was it posted? I didn't see it anywhere. Also, what is he asking you to do, defend against an entire book, "The Urantia Book Spiritual Scam | Religious figures (modern)"?
Maybe I'll Google it. Does Rapture Era have any specific questions?
And I just wanted to mention that as far as I know, The Urantia Book was not channeled.
Here is a history of how The Urantia Book came to be:
A History of The Urantia Papers
More later if this thread still lives.
Furchizedek
Member
Oh, I Googled the article Rapture Era mentioned, What a disaster that is! And so unbelievably slanted, like this: "but we are told that it was actually communicated by some “celestial beings”, yeah like aliens."
Like angels. Celestial beings are angels, the very same that the article of the hatchet job believes in. Anyway, the entire thing is nasty, disrespectful Christian false witness bearing.
He says: "The book is managed by a group of people (or a single guy) who call themselves the Urantia Foundation."
That's untrue.
And... "in 1911 a guy named William S. Sadler, a psychiatrist, received this weired visitor that blurted stories while he was in some trance from which he could not wake up."
That's untrue. Dr. Sadler didn't "received this weired visitor" even if weird was spelled right.
And this sniveling comment: "This cannot be proven because according to the Urantia Foundation, none of them is still alive and their names cannot be revealed in case people want to adore them… yeahhhh…"
What does the "yeahhhh..." mean? Anyone know? It's snivelingly disrespectful. And in fact we know all of the names of the "contact commission." The Christian writer got himself a little mixed up on that. But it is true, the celestials (angels, not aliens) who revealed The Urantia Book do NOT want to create another Paul situation where the words of a mere man become worshiped as "God's Word," as Christians do with Paul and the bible. The fact is that Paul and his doctrines of men have usurped Jesus and his "gospel of the kingdom" for Christians. And this Christian says above, "This cannot be proved..." What cannot be proved?, and what difference does it make? No one is trying to "prove" anything. Read the book for yourself and prove it to yourself. We are not in the proving or convincing business. Christians do that but we don't. It' between you and the book. "You have to read it to believe it." That's our motto.
And in a stunning display of bearing false witness the Christian writer says, about people he never knew or met: "They also believed that the White people were sent from God to populate the Earth, that “******s”, “Indians” and other none-Whites were to serve them." My goodness, what anger is revealed there, so much so that he tries to smear people he's never met and likely knows nothing about, and which in any case is not supported in The Urantia Book. The Urantia Book does not teach that “******s”, “Indians” and other none-Whites were to serve them." I certainly wouldn't want to be a member of any church that would have such a non-Christian Christian as the writer of that article seems to be. Nor does The Urantia Book teach that "the White people were sent from God to populate the Earth" as that so-called Christian says. So ignorant!
And then this so-called Christian quotes Martin Gardner and says he said that Wilfred Custer Kellogg was the “channeller” Sadler talked about. But the fact is that Martin Gardner didn't know and no one knows and no one ever will and that's the way God's celestial revelators want it. And what difference does it make who the "channeler" was? That's like demanding to know the name of the Western Union Telegram boy before you will take the telegram message and read it. "I demand that you tell me your name or I won't take the telegram and read the message that someone sent me." How stupid is that? And Martin Gardner (RIP) had admitted that he never read the entire Urantia Book. He was in his 80s when he did his little critique and was we'll past his prime.
Done for now.
Like angels. Celestial beings are angels, the very same that the article of the hatchet job believes in. Anyway, the entire thing is nasty, disrespectful Christian false witness bearing.
He says: "The book is managed by a group of people (or a single guy) who call themselves the Urantia Foundation."
That's untrue.
And... "in 1911 a guy named William S. Sadler, a psychiatrist, received this weired visitor that blurted stories while he was in some trance from which he could not wake up."
That's untrue. Dr. Sadler didn't "received this weired visitor" even if weird was spelled right.
And this sniveling comment: "This cannot be proven because according to the Urantia Foundation, none of them is still alive and their names cannot be revealed in case people want to adore them… yeahhhh…"
What does the "yeahhhh..." mean? Anyone know? It's snivelingly disrespectful. And in fact we know all of the names of the "contact commission." The Christian writer got himself a little mixed up on that. But it is true, the celestials (angels, not aliens) who revealed The Urantia Book do NOT want to create another Paul situation where the words of a mere man become worshiped as "God's Word," as Christians do with Paul and the bible. The fact is that Paul and his doctrines of men have usurped Jesus and his "gospel of the kingdom" for Christians. And this Christian says above, "This cannot be proved..." What cannot be proved?, and what difference does it make? No one is trying to "prove" anything. Read the book for yourself and prove it to yourself. We are not in the proving or convincing business. Christians do that but we don't. It' between you and the book. "You have to read it to believe it." That's our motto.
And in a stunning display of bearing false witness the Christian writer says, about people he never knew or met: "They also believed that the White people were sent from God to populate the Earth, that “******s”, “Indians” and other none-Whites were to serve them." My goodness, what anger is revealed there, so much so that he tries to smear people he's never met and likely knows nothing about, and which in any case is not supported in The Urantia Book. The Urantia Book does not teach that “******s”, “Indians” and other none-Whites were to serve them." I certainly wouldn't want to be a member of any church that would have such a non-Christian Christian as the writer of that article seems to be. Nor does The Urantia Book teach that "the White people were sent from God to populate the Earth" as that so-called Christian says. So ignorant!
And then this so-called Christian quotes Martin Gardner and says he said that Wilfred Custer Kellogg was the “channeller” Sadler talked about. But the fact is that Martin Gardner didn't know and no one knows and no one ever will and that's the way God's celestial revelators want it. And what difference does it make who the "channeler" was? That's like demanding to know the name of the Western Union Telegram boy before you will take the telegram message and read it. "I demand that you tell me your name or I won't take the telegram and read the message that someone sent me." How stupid is that? And Martin Gardner (RIP) had admitted that he never read the entire Urantia Book. He was in his 80s when he did his little critique and was we'll past his prime.
Done for now.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Urantia Book Questions
Is it a revealed book from G-d. If yes, on whom? Please.
Regards
Is it a revealed book from G-d. If yes, on whom? Please.
Regards
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Thanks and regards for remembering me.
Furchizedek
Member
Hello. Um, you know how the Christians say that the bible is "God's word," and "written by God," and "authored by God," and "inspired by God," and is "the Word of God," etc?
We don't say that. We say The Urantia Book is a revelation to our world from God's celestial government. God himself, the Creator of the Universe did not personally write The Urantia Book, or the bible either for that matter.
The Urantia Book claims to be authored by agents of God's government, angels, midwayers, Melchizedeks, arch angels, and others.
I'm not sure what your question, "If yes, on whom?" means. It probably just needs to be re-stated. In any case, maybe this would help, it's a link to a pretty reasonable account of how The Urantia Book came to be, but it's not a short read:
A History of The Urantia Papers
Furchizedek
Member
False concepts like what? And how do you know your concepts are true and someone else's concepts are false?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"If yes, on whom?"
I mean the person or the individual who received this revelation.
What was the form of this Revelation? Please
Regards
Furchizedek
Member
It's a long story, that link I gave you would have what you want to know, but we think that the revelators began planning for this in the 1300s or so. That they probably had several different groups of humans that were possible candidates for getting the revelation into material form. That they eventually picked Dr. William S. Sadler, a former Seventh Day Adventist, a doctor, surgeon, psychiatrist, author, and speaker, and his "group" to be the group to shepherd the revelation into print. William S. Sadler - Wikipedia We think they got his attention some time around 1911 or so. A woman in the apartment building had something strange going on with her husband at night and she contacted the doctor (Sadler) in a nearby apartment to please come over and check out the situation. The man in question WAS NOT Dr. Sadler's "mental patient" as some Christians try to make out. To hear them tell it, if you break your leg and the only doctor around to lend a hand is a psychiatrist, that makes you a mental patient. It's very dishonest.
Anyway, after some years of getting Dr. Sadler's confidence and trusting that he wouldn't make a three ring circus out of it like Edgar Cayce, we think that the revelators simply delivered (materialized) the text of The Urantia Book in a few thousand hand written pages. From there it was proofread and eventually set into 2200 nickel printing plates for the 1955 First Printing. There were 10,000 of those printed.
The link I gave is the place to go for the story. A History of The Urantia Papers
But if you have any more questions. go ahead and ask them. I'll try to answer them.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
For instance, I believe, Quran was revealed to Muhammad by G-d. So there is no single individual on whom Urantia Book/Papers was revealed by G-d, as I understand from your post. Am I right, please?
One is welcome to differ with me with good reasons and arguments, if any.
Regards
Furchizedek
Member
Really? You believe that? Are you a Muslim? What about Joseph Smith and the Mormons, what about that story?
Yes, I would say that's about right. The revelators (God's agents) didn't want to create another Paul or Joseph Smith or even Muhammad. They wanted the message as free from human contamination as possible.
And by the way, I would be honored if you would add the Urantia symbol to your design. Like this:
According to The Urantia Book, Melchizedek wore this emblem (last one on the right) 4000 years ago when he came here in the times of Abraham.