Unpacking Donald Trump's controversial Tweet

[Kangaroo Feathers]

 

[Shad]

Falsely accusing everyone of racism, wanting to abolish ICE and DHS, whilst being anti-semitic and unamerican as possible is not going to make America better.

Thing is ICE is merely 3 departments merged into one. Abolishing ICE would just result in recreation of those 3 departments which existed for decades before. People advocating for abolishing ICE are either stupid or banking on the voter being stupid.

Asylum services are run by DHS. It is part of ICE and CBP. Think about what advocates are suggesting in their zeal.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

 

[SkepticThinker]

Falsely accusing everyone of racism, wanting to abolish ICE and DHS, whilst being anti-semitic and unamerican as possible is not going to make America better.

How about accurately accusing someone of racism when they say racist things?
Is that allowed?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes as per the New Green Deal.

Per everything they do in their capacity as members of Congress.

One being they have crazy policy, two they are socialists, three the Dem moderates were trying to marginalize them now Trump made them the face of the party

So? You are still stuck with in your identity politics mind-trap. You can not see anything outside race and sex. You ignore their horrible policies, they are socialists, and the conflict between the socialist and moderates in the Dem party.

LOL What a ridiculous statement. That's just something people say when they want to ignore and minimize actual racist behavior ... "Oh you think everything is racist." No, actually, I don't. I just think racist things are racist.

 

[Enoch07]

How about accurately accusing someone of racism when they say racist things?
Is that allowed?

Sure, she needs to start by calling out her own anti-semitism first.

 

[metis]

Even some Pubs have stated that some of Trump's tweets are racist, or at least what's called "race-baiting", plus Trump has had a long record of doing this even with his business operations.

It's the old "divide & conquer" approach used by autocrats the world over, and so many of his supporters have bought into it hook, line, sinker, fisherman, and boat.

 

[Shad]

Per everything they do in their capacity as members of Congress.

Yet when put to a vote no one voted for it. The advocates didn't. The Dems pandering and talking about how "great" it is didn't. Yawn

LOL What a ridiculous statement. That's just something people say when they want to ignore and minimize actual racist behavior ...

Nope. As per your little "I am tired of men telling me what to do" (abortion) All while Roe vs Wade was determined by /drum roll, 9 men. Yawn Those are words of an ideologue

"Oh you think everything is racist." No, actually, I don't. I just think racist things are racist.

See above. Yawn.

Where are you comments about Omar's antisemitism tropes? /crickets

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yet when put to a vote no one voted for it. The advocates didn't. The Dems pandering and talking about how "great" it is didn't. Yawn

Put what to a vote?

Nope. As per your little "I am tired of men telling me what to do" (abortion) All while Roe vs Wade was determined by /drum roll, 9 men. Yawn Those are words of an ideologue

Ah, except that wasn't my statement, was it?
My statement was that I don't want men who have no idea what they're talking about, telling me what to do with my body.
You had to omit that part in order to distort my meaning.

Yawn.

See above. Yawn.

Where are you comments about Omar's antisemitism tropes? /crickets

Which ones?

 

[crossfire]

What I've learned from this thread:

Some GOP advocates are willing to call out their racists (the send her back chanters,) but insist that Dem advocates call out their socialists; and some GOP advocates go so far as to attempt to project racism (antisemitism) onto critics of Israel.

All of this projection and confusion can be clarified if one admits that politics does not equal race, and race does not equal politics.

 

[Shad]

Put what to a vote?

The Green New Deal was put to a vote in the Senate. No one voted for it. The GOP called Dems bluff

Green New Deal fails Senate test vote as dozens of Democrats vote 'present'
Green New Deal vote today: Senate vote on "Green New Deal" resolution fails - CBS News

Ah, except that wasn't my statement, was it?

I paraphrased it but it was accurate.

My statement was that I don't want men who have no idea what they're talking about, telling me what to do with my body.

Roe vs Wade counters your point and makes it absurd.None of the judges are experts on biology. More so modern biology education is well ahead what those judges learned in HS decades ago. More so Roe vs Wade was about privacy not biology. Try again

"I don't need men who don't know the first thing about how my body works telling me (and every other woman) what we should be doing with it. Go make your own choices with your own body and leave mine (ours) alone."

Sex strike

You had to omit that part in order to distort my meaning.

I omitted nothing as you are assuming I looked it up rather than going by memory. Try again

See above. You didn't even get your comment right. Try again.

Which ones?

Hypnotizing the world and dual loyalties. Both are classic antisemitic tropes.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The Green New Deal was put to a vote in the Senate. No one voted for it. The GOP called Dems bluff

Green New Deal fails Senate test vote as dozens of Democrats vote 'present'
Green New Deal vote today: Senate vote on "Green New Deal" resolution fails - CBS News

I don't know why you're only focused on that. I'm talking about their overall jobs, as members of Congress.

I paraphrased it but it was accurate.

Nope. It wasn't, as I pointed out.

Roe vs Wade counters your point and makes it absurd.None of the judges are experts on biology. More so modern biology education is well ahead what those judges learned in HS decades ago. More so Roe vs Wade was about privacy not biology. Try again

"I don't need men who don't know the first thing about how my body works telling me (and every other woman) what we should be doing with it. Go make your own choices with your own body and leave mine (ours) alone."

Sex strike

No, it doesn't contradict my point that men who don't know what they're talking about, shouldn't be telling women what to do with their bodies.
Supreme Court justices aren't ignorant in the matter, as they carefully considered information and arguments when making their judgments. In other words, they do know what they are talking about.

I omitted nothing as you are assuming I looked it up rather than going by memory. Try again

See above. You didn't even get your comment right. Try again.

You did omit something, as I pointed out.
So now that your memory has been jogged, I won't expect you to make the same mistake again.

Hypnotizing the world and dual loyalties. Both are classic antisemitic tropes.

Can you cite them in context?

 

[Shad]

I don't know why you're only focused on that. I'm talking about their overall jobs, as members of Congress.

When one's big plan gets shutdown and never comes up again that says a lot. So has AOC put her plan to the House for a vote yet? Still waiting?

Overall job such as what? Getting Amazon not to move to NYC as AOC can not figure the difference between a tax break and grants? Cite something. What have they actually done in Congress that was special?

Nope. It wasn't, as I pointed out.

Nope as I quoted your post. Try again.

No, it doesn't contradict my point that men who don't know what they're talking about, shouldn't be telling women what to do with their bodies.

So you reject Roe vs Wade? 9 men after all. Educated in law not biology. Educated decades ago when evolution was still competing with religious babble? How do you know I do not know what I am talking about or is it because I am a man?

Supreme Court justices aren't ignorant in the matter, as they carefully considered information and arguments when making their judgments. In other words, they do know what they are talking about.

Ergo I can do the same and have. I just have a different view. It isn't hard to figure out sex leads to pregnancy. Woman and men want abortion as they do not want to deal with the results of their acts. Not hard. Didn't need much beyond grade 6 biology.

You did omit something, as I pointed out.

No. To omit something is a purposeful act. Since I was paraphrasing based on memory it wasn't an omission. Look up the word you are trying, and failing, to use right.

So now that your memory has been jogged, I won't expect you to make the same mistake again.

Still waiting for you to acknowledge your own memory error as per the quote

Can you cite them in context?

No as they deleted the tweets due to the fallout. Easier for them to pretend it never happened.

 

[sooda]

Interestingly Trump's immigrant wife has remained silent; perhaps she is sorting out her papers so she can go back home.

Her parents are now in the US.

 

[Shad]

Interestingly Trump's immigrant wife has remained silent; perhaps she is sorting out her papers so she can go back home.

She is a citizen due to marriage if she wasn't before.

 

[SkepticThinker]

When one's big plan gets shutdown and never comes up again that says a lot. So has AOC put her plan to the House for a vote yet? Still waiting?

Overall job such as what? Getting Amazon not to move to NYC as AOC can not figure the difference between a tax break and grants? Cite something. What have they actually done in Congress that was special?

Sorry, I don't know what you're going on about.

Nope as I quoted your post. Try again.

And then still got it wrong. Even after I corrected you - twice.

So you reject Roe vs Wade? 9 men after all. Educated in law not biology. Educated decades ago when evolution was still competing with religious babble?

Already addressed and explained.

How do you know I do not know what I am talking about or is it because I am a man?

Because the things you say indicate that you do not know what you are talking about.

Ergo I can do the same and have. I just have a different view. It isn't hard to figure out sex leads to pregnancy. Woman and men want abortion as they do not want to deal with the results of their acts. Not hard. Didn't need much beyond grade 6 biology.

As I said, your words on the matter and responses to others, demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. It's apparent that you haven't done the same.

There is a lot more to it than just "grade 6 biology" though. That's been part of my point all along. You want to make it black and white when it isn't. Women and men want/need abortions for a ton of different reasons. The only person who can truly make the decision about the outcome is the person whose body is being effected. Let me illustrate ...

My mother's pregnancy with my sister was much harder than she had with me. At 5 months, my mother had to take to complete bed rest - no getting up to pee, no showers - any time she tried to take a single step on the floor, she would go into labour. My sister was born two full months early, with underdeveloped lungs and had to be incubated. She almost didn't make it. The problem was that the amniotic sac kept coming loose and was forcing her body into labour. Doctors told her that with each additional pregnancy, this problem would get worse and worse so that her next child would be born 3-4 months earlier, and the next one even earlier and so on - which obviously severely reduces the chances of fetal viability. In other words, should she try to have any more children, they probably would not make it through the pregnancy, and her health would deteriorate as well, making it more difficult to care for her existing children. Not to mention the fact that having to stay in bed for 9 months straight is not only physically taxing but mentally taxing as well. Plus, you can't really earn any money to support your family if you can't get out of bed. Oh, and on top of that, my mother had to deal with an alcoholic husband who took off on a bender every now and then. So, what does such a person do when they want to prevent further pregnancies? Well, she couldn't go on the pill, because it made her sick. She didn't want a hysterectomy because not only is it major surgery, but it changes a person's body in a lot of crazy and negative ways. So she was left with condoms, pretty much, which of course, are not 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. Or abstinence, I guess, which really isn't optimal for a married couple. So should she have somehow gotten pregnant again, she'd have quite a difficult decision on her hands,that is subject to all these variables, and then some.

There is a lot more involved in the decision-making process than "I don't want to deal with the results of my actions." That's far too simplistic and ignores the actual reality of the kinds of situations people face in their lives. It's harder than you seem to think.

No. To omit something is a purposeful act. Since I was paraphrasing based on memory it wasn't an omission. Look up the word you are trying, and failing, to use right.

Oh for the love of Pete. It was left out. Whether you meant to or not, I don't care. The fact of the matter is that it was left out.
I've now clarified twice for you, and therefore do not expect you to repeat it again.

All I care about is making it clear what I had said.

Still waiting for you to acknowledge your own memory error as per the quote

Which is?

No as they deleted the tweets due to the fallout. Easier for them to pretend it never happened.

Oh so they must have disappeared forever then. I'm sure there were no news stories about them or anything. Nope, they're just gone forever.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Her parents are now in the US.

Wait a minute, chain migration is bad and must be ended, according to Donald Trump.

 

[sooda]

Wait a minute, chain migration is bad and must be ended, according to Donald Trump.

Exactly………...

 

[Shad]

Sorry, I don't know what you're going on about.

Green New Deal. It died without a whimper despite all the lip service media and Dems provided.

And then still got it wrong. Even after I corrected you - twice.

Nope. Try again. You think men can not learn about biology. You are wrong in that.

Already addressed and explained.

Yes and I countered it by pointing out education isn't unique to SCOTUS memebers. More so Roe vs Wade was based on privacy clauses not basic biology. Try again. Maybe explain about this knowledge you never provide by draw from ether.

Because the things you say indicate that you do not know what you are talking about.

Such as what? Something more than an assertion

As I said, your words on the matter and responses to others, demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. It's apparent that you haven't done the same.

Evidence?

There is a lot more to it than just "grade 6 biology" though. That's been part of my point all along. You want to make it black and white when it isn't. Women and men want/need abortions for a ton of different reasons. The only person who can truly make the decision about the outcome is the person whose body is being effected. Let me illustrate ...

No there isn't more to it. Sex can result in pregnancy. Abortion is ending that pregnancy. It isn't that hard.

I have little issues with medical condition that risk both the parent and child. If a risk to the parent only the parent can decide. Financials concerns I reject. Timing concerns I reject. I reject the below as it pre-existing.

My mother's pregnancy with my sister was much harder than she had with me. At 5 months, my mother had to take to complete bed rest - no getting up to pee, no showers - any time she tried to take a single step on the floor, she would go into labour. My sister was born two full months early, with underdeveloped lungs and had to be incubated. She almost didn't make it. The problem was that the amniotic sac kept coming loose and was forcing her body into labour. Doctors told her that with each additional pregnancy, this problem would get worse and worse so that her next child would be born 3-4 months earlier, and the next one even earlier and so on - which obviously severely reduces the chances of fetal viability. In other words, should she try to have any more children, they probably would not make it through the pregnancy, and her health would deteriorate as well, making it more difficult to care for her existing children. Not to mention the fact that having to stay in bed for 9 months straight is not only physically taxing but mentally taxing as well. Plus, you can't really earn any money to support your family if you can't get out of bed. Oh, and on top of that, my mother had to deal with an alcoholic husband who took off on a bender every now and then. So, what does such a person do when they want to prevent further pregnancies? Well, she couldn't go on the pill, because it made her sick. She didn't want a hysterectomy because not only is it major surgery, but it changes a person's body in a lot of crazy and negative ways. So she was left with condoms, pretty much, which of course, are not 100% effective in preventing pregnancy. Or abstinence, I guess, which really isn't optimal for a married couple. So should she have somehow gotten pregnant again, she'd have quite a difficult decision on her hands,that is subject to all these variables, and then some.

She can stop having sex. That is one way people avoid self-harm... by not doing the thing which can cause that harm.

There is a lot more involved in the decision-making process than "I don't want to deal with the results of my actions."

Except that is the point you made above. Sex can lead to pregnancy which caused harm to your mother. Ergo does not want to deal with the results of an action. Get a dildo. Get her tubes cut.

That's far too simplistic and ignores the actual reality of the kinds of situations people face in their lives. It's harder than you seem to think.

No it is. Action to result. Stop the action and the result does not occur.

Oh for the love of Pete. It was left out. Whether you meant to or not, I don't care. The fact of the matter is that it was left out.
I've now clarified twice for you, and therefore do not expect you to repeat it again.

You asserted twice and I have rejected it. Deal with it.

Which is?

That whatever knowledge you babble about counters my view point. So far as per the above it hasn't. This is because all your arguments are framed based on wanting to have sex regardless of results instead of if abortion of another human is justified based on the whim of another. Hence why your only option is pro-abortion which I provided alternatives. Desire is primary not life.

Oh so they must have disappeared forever then. I'm sure there were no news stories about them or anything. Nope, they're just gone forever.

No. The tweet is gone so I have no idea if it was a response to X or just a random tweet. Ergo I can not confirm anything the media claims is context. NYT claims it was made during the conflict in 2012 in Gaza. Omar claims this as well. I can not confirm either.

You can go chasing for "context" if you want. The trope does not change.

I ask again. What have the Squad done that is special in Congress?

 

[sooda]

Trump just made a speech about rejecting racism and bigotry.