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Unlicensed Handguns

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by The Hammer, May 24, 2021.

  1. Mestemia

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    Nope.
    I do not see a problem with it.
    I merely thought it a good idea to update the thread with the most current information concerning the status of the legislation.
     
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    Hasn't Kentucky seen a big jump in gun violence in the last year? May or may not be covid related.

    More guns = more gun violence

    There's just too many irresponsible gun owners. I'd wager the majority are.
     
  3. Mestemia

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    How would you settle said wager?

    Would you compare the number of gun owners who have not killed anyone to the number of people who have killed someone?
    No, cause you would lose.

    Would you compare the number of of firearms not lost or stolen to the number of fire arms lost or stolen?
    Nope, cause you would lose.

    So I am curious how you would settle said wager.
     
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    The CDC stats for 2020 aren't out yet, that I can see, so I'm not sure. If Louisville, where I live, is the measure then we will, like many other jurisdictions see a large jump for 2020.

    Speaking of COVID, the year we've had gets to us all sometimes and me this time. We actually passed it in 2019, so we're going on 2 years.
     
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    Not sure. It's a guess based on education levels and relative intelligence of the population.
    Additionally, there really isn't any training required to own a weapon.
     
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    I am lost.
    What is an example of something that you are required to get training for in order to own?

    I do find it rather curious that you would be willing to wager a bet without knowing much of anything about that which you are so willing to wager about.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me you are claiming that of the 393 million firearms owned by US Citizens, that it is your claim that the majority of their owners are irresponsible.
    What, exactly, is that idea based on?
     
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    Not anything I can think of. The kicker is wanting to use that purchase.
    Cars aren't required to have training to own. But if you plan to use one you're required to have training.

    I call it an educated guess. Lot's of irresponsible gun owners don't secure their weapons in their homes. I'd wager the majority. Same with leaving weapons in vehicles.
    I'm sure there's statistics, it's a hunch of mine.
    You may see that as responsible. iono.

    Yes, my suspicion is based on intelligence, education, lack of training, news reports, etc.
    I own weapons. They aren't locked up. (I don't have kids). I'd probably fall into that category as well.
    There's a lot of things you can look at.
    But yes, in America, I'd say the majority are irresponsible.
     
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    Excuse me @Mestemia for jumping in on this; but it bothers me that many like @tytlyf make statments about firearms and firearm owners that are, how should I say, do not have responsible data to backup their statments

    Would you please supply the laws that require everone to have "training" to operate a motor vehicle. Now I do admit that some states require certain people under a certain age to have attended a drivers education class for a specifice number of classroom instruction hours to obtain a drivers license.
    What do you consider "training".....something like....here's the keys to the truck, don't drive through the fence or hit one of the cows.

    Suspicions, hunches, and guesses do not make up for facts.
    Irresponsiblity is a judgment call in many instances especially when one can not supply the facts to backup their suspicions, hunches, and guesses
     
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    All I had to do was pass the tests...
    Not a lick of training "required".


    Again you propose a wager you can not settle.
    Not much of a proclamation now is it?


    So you are not basing your allegation on anything other than innuendo, wishful thinking and personal irresponsibility?
     
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    Correct. It's a hunch. I guess it depends on the metric and whether someone considers something responsible/irresponsible.
    We're all in the same boat, some claim responsible, others do not.
     
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    Fair enough
     
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    Should of put it in the constitution.


    Of course it might be worded....

    "Thou shalt have the right to keep and bare horses.....
     
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    I don't think you've researched this.
    They certainly can, with the process varying with locality.
    Moreover, it can cause the loss of right to carry or own guns.
     
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    In a state with say 700,000 deer hunters how many would you guess would shoot each other on the average year, then?
     
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    Your definition of responsible/irresponsible gun owners hinges on how many deer hunters shoot each other while hunting?

    Interesting/creative metric.
     
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    Well it seems logical that if most are irresponsible there's going to be a lot of hunters shot by mistake.
    If it only happens very rarely why would I assume they were irresponsible with gun safety?
     
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