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Featured Universe Vs Multiverse!

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Yusef, Jul 16, 2020.

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  1. Yusef

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    I don't call Atheists the fool because maybe they are ignorant people and the Facts/Truths haven't been received for them.

    Well,
    The arrogant fool scientists claim that they have discovered/arrived at the edges of the cosmos!
    Take a while you see that the cosmos of the scientists of today compared with the Multiverse that Shi'a-Islam has introduced are such as an atom with the Galaxy!!!

    If you have any opposite saying/reasoning, then bring!
     
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  2. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    Here to make friends are you? Good start. :D
     
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  3. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Nobody claims we have arrived at the edge of the universe.

    I'm not sure why you shared this video. The first part is well-known scientific fact. The second part is rather confused, disjointed, and not particularly related to the first. It certainly doens't make Shia-Islam look good.

    I'd point out that science does investigate multiverse ideas. And they have NOTHING to do with Islam.
     
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  4. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    The fun part is that the world is not that simple as just being theists and atheists, when it comes to science and religion.
     
  5. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Would you say that believers in Apollo (theists) have received the Facts/Truths?

    Ciao

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  6. VoidoftheSun

    VoidoftheSun Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox

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    Yeah it's not a high budget video but it is a beautiful Hadith speaking symbolic about the ontology of the universe, the observable universe being a tiny speck in the "rings within rings within rings" of the cosmos.

    I'm trying to gather exactly what his emphasis is (as english doesn't appear to be his first language unlike me) though, but I think he might be making a point about how the in that symbolic illustration of the cosmos and heavens, that the physical universe (to which we have very limited resource despite the enormous innovations in astronomy) and the edge of what is observable is itself just a tiny speck of the first of the seven rings within rings (to give that analogy again) which seems to point towards an epistemic irony.
     
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    And a 'symbolic' illustration is exactly worthless if it doesn't have observational backing. It is just fluff and non-sense.

    Again, it leaves Islam in a rather negative light, I think.
     
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    In any case, the OP doesn't particular show great intelligence as compared to the 'ignorant' atheists and 'arrogant' scientists.
     
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  9. VoidoftheSun

    VoidoftheSun Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox

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    To you yours. I was just trying to help :rolleyes:
    But not my thread or discussion.
     
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    Poetry is fine as literature. To regard it as truth is dangerous, in my opinion.
     
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  11. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
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    Have you pointed this out to the one who needs such information?
     
  12. VoidoftheSun

    VoidoftheSun Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox

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    When I said symbolic I did not mean poetic, I mean analogous. Some ideas, especially in even hard-science itself can only be expressed through symbols and analogies.

    You're speaking from category error, which is like saying that Greek is meaningless to an English speaker.

    Again though, not my thread, not my discussion, I'm outta here.
     
  13. mikkel_the_dane

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    Do you mean, the poster of the OP?
     
  14. gnostic

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    What do mean by “same maximum degree”?
     
  15. Windwalker

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    Poetry can be used to speak great truths. For instance, when some fundamentalist constantly focuses on gayness as sin, the poetic expression, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", speaks great truth about that situation. It's a poetic way of saying they are very likely gay themselves.

    But of course, that's not science. There are other more scientific ways to prove that truth. ;)
     
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    :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes:

    :rolleyes: No, we haven't.

    Not a good start for you here at RF.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    Not at all sure what the point is that you're trying to make. Science has proposed the possibility of a multiverse. Yet our current knowledge only enables us to investigate the boundaries of the universe in which we exist. What do you propose that scientists do until they obtain the necessary information... just make stuff up like religions do?
     
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  19. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Now if I claimed "science is the Truth and religion is Evil and anyone who don't get that are crazy in their brains and need that part of their brains removed", then what would you consider the likelihood to be that I would change my mind?
     
  20. Valjean

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    Why do you think atheists ignorant? If there is no evidence of something, is it not foolish to believe in it?

    I'm unaware of any facts or truths about God. There's a lot of folklore and speculation, but no actual evidence (and scripture is not evidence). So what is it that atheists are ignorant of?

    The video is nonsense. The 2nd part has nothing to do with multiverse theory that I can discern. It goes on about rings and roosters; "7 heaven" and 7 Earths. What it all means is anyone's guess, it does not explain itself at all.

    It's based on what -- Quran? Hadith? Speculation by an Imam? No actual evidence for anything is produced. It's all just indecipherable rantings.

    Your theology, Yusef, does not seem to be based on facts or evidence. If this video is what passes for evidence in your mind, you clearly don't understand what evidence is.
     
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