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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg Ocean Immersion
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    A comment in another thread asked;

    "OK, let know the Baha'i people's success for establishment of the Universal auxiliary language, please."

    The response was that it was not the responsibility of just the Baha'i to implement a world auxiliary language, it is the responsibility of all people of all nations.

    Esperanto was popular back in that time and many Baha'i did try to take that path and some still do, but as the governments of the world have not adopted it, there is no way that it can go global. interestingly, English has become much more of a worldly language, but it is also no good for a universal language.

    In the Baha'i Faith, Bahá’u’lláh enjoins the adoption of a universal language and script. His Writings envisage two stages in this process. The first stage is to consist of the selection of an existing language or an invented one which would then be taught in all the schools of the world as an auxiliary to the mother tongues. The governments of the world through their parliaments are called upon to effect this momentous enactment. The second stage, in the distant future, would be the eventual adoption of one single language and common script for all on earth.

    Esparanto was talked about by Abdul'Baha in 1913 and it can be read at this link - Bahá'í Reference Library - Bahá’u’lláh and the New Era, Pages 163-166

    While these allusions to Esperanto are specific and encouraging, it remains true that until the House of Justice has acted on the matter in accordance with Bahá’u’lláh’s instruction the Bahá’í Faith is not committed to Esperanto nor to any other living or artificial tongue. ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Himself said: “The love and effort put into Esperanto will not be lost, but no one person can construct a Universal Language.”—‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, p. 95.

    So which language to adopt, and whether it is to be a natural or constructed one, is a decision which the nations of the world will have to make.

    So what do you think?
    Do you see the benefit?
    Will it happen?

    Ĉu ni kiel kunigita popolo adoptos mondan lingvon - Will we as a united people adopt a world language?

    Esperanto/Quick and dirty guide - Wikibooks, open books for an open world

    Esperanto.jpg


    Regards Tony
     
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  2. NoToReligion

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    If you regard all religions equally, then you should not have a universal language, because Yahweh will be pissed at you. Source: Genesis 11
     
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  3. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    That was not what the topic is about. Baha'u'llah said it will happen, it is not the Baha'i that will take the steps to make it happen.

    Here is a link worth Reading. International auxiliary language - Wikipedia

    "..During the 19th century, a bewildering variety of such constructed international auxiliary languages (IALs) were proposed, so Louis Couturat and Léopold Leau in Histoire de la langue universelle (1903) reviewed 38 projects...."

    "..In August 1889 the third convention was held in Paris. About two hundred people from many countries attended. And, unlike in the first two conventions, people spoke only Volapük. For the first time in the history of mankind, sixteen years before the Boulogne convention, an international convention spoke an international language...."

    Then came Esperanto, so there are people trying and still are. I see it will happen and the stupidity may be not to embrace it.

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  4. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    You are bringing the past to the future, late in the Bible it tells us to see God as one and speak with one voice;

    Romans 15:6 "so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ".

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    I won't attempt to interpret that verse since it is quite vague, but sure.
     
  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    A major cause of conflict in this world is lack of understanding. Imagine if we are all able to explain ourselves using the same language and understanding of words. I see it will happen, English has become like a universal trade language.

    Also imagine, as a child one would have to only study 2 languages. Auxiliary language and native tongue.

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    Moz Religion. A pox on all their Houses.

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    There is very little on these threads that has struck me as more hypocritical than a bahai quoting biblle verses.
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  8. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    You mean like a Christian quoting Jewish verses. Does that seem familiar in the accusation department. :)

    There is a time when Christ would say;

    Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’.. "

    God bless.

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    Moz Religion. A pox on all their Houses.

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    Jewish verses? It is all the same story, unlike your later unneeded additions.

    Just out of interest, as you have quoted from both Romans and Matthew how much of those books are corrupt. Is it just the bits that show bahai to be full of crap that are corrupted and anything that works for you is ok.. .. Is that how it works
     
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    A universal language would have to be the Queens English, as spoken by cricket-playing Gentlemen.
     
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    The world, or more precisely, aviation, shipping, international transport, international finance, government, I.e. those who need to communicate with the world have a universal language... English


    But international diplomacy still uses French.
     
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  12. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    In post #7 I agree as by default English has become a auxiliary language because of trade.

    But it lacks the requirements.

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    It works as God Wills.

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    So you can explain to the oppressed peoples why the rich first world is ruining their land in the search and extraction of resources that they will not see any benefit from?

    Or explain why drones and bombs are killing children and women at market and destroying their homes?

    In a language they will understand.
     
  15. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    Yes it it is direct consequence of those in control ignoring the Message of Baha'u'llah, plain and simple.

    Luckily it will change from the grass roots. The people will bring change.

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    Methinks you have a somewhat over optimistic view of the influence of 0.1% of the population.

    Other religions also teach tolerance and peace. Many of those in power are members of these religions?

    Yes i have a cynical view of religion. In thousands of years it has not stopped conflict (in many cases it has been instrumental in aggravating conflict)
     
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    Saluton Tony! Mi scias iomete Esperanton!

    Bonvolu mesaĝas min?
     
  18. SalixIncendium

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    I think it's just another Baha'i attempt at getting the world to conform to their own agenda.

    For Baha'i? Yes. For me? No.

    I don't know. I lack Baha'u'llah's fortune telling skills. But if it does happen...

    ...Iway inkthay ethay universalway orldway anguagelay ouldshay ebay
    Igpay Atinlay...ecausebay it'sway unfay.

    (I think the universal world language should be Pig Latin...because it's fun.)
     
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  19. Aupmanyav

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    I am surprised at the outlandish, utopian ideas that Bahais harbor.

    Why is English not good enough to be the first or second world language? What Abdul Baha said takes out Esperanto from the equation. Why are you trying to propagate it?
    'Abdu’l-Bahá Himself': Perhaps that is incorrect English these days.

    These are the most widely spoken languages in the world. You can choose one of them.
    Mandarin Chinese (1.1 billion), English (983 million), Hindustani (544 million), Spanish (527 million), Arabic (422 million).
    Google Search
    World language - Wikipedia (Total Speakers)
    English (1.5 billion), Chines Mandarin (1.2 billion), Hindustani (697 million, including Urdu), Spanish (577 million), Arabic (570 million, including dialects).
     
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    I think that you should watch over the next century to see what happens to block character like what short alphabets use. A lot of effort has gone into making the computers support multiple character sets. Some scripts do not lend themselves to small, rectangular, regular type. To properly fit irregular characters together requires software that solves a math problem called the "minimum weight perfect matching problem in bipartite graphs." Its not simple for programs. You have to program the software to move the letters around, since they fit into each other. For that you need full graphics, so you can't easily get some languages on calculators and many other devices. Block characters are easier to implement.

    N. Americans long ago used Sign for continental communication independent of spoken language. I think sign language is a fine idea, and though you can't write it on paper there are ways around that. Computing tech might make that irrelevant. We don't know, yet. Writing sign language is difficult, but having a computer record it is easy. Recently someone has invented gloves which can translate sign into spoken language. If it can be done with gloves then it can be done with cameras. If it can be done with cameras, then it can be represented on screen. The impediment of writing it down disappears. In a society with lots of computers you can have sign as your international language with computers as the scribes. There is no sound involved, and the meaning of the signs may not drift like they do with spoken words.

    What you might do is try to build a permanent sign language based on Chinese but not require learning Chinese characters. Instead people could communicate using sign on paper, written with the assistance of smart phones or other camera devices. The charm would be that people could retain our spoken and written languages, and at the same time we might get a permanent language for legal documents, laws and records.
     
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