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Universal Law of Atraction Vs. Dark Matter

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by questfortruth, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Active Member

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    Please discuss with me Science, I promise to be interesting conversation partner.
    What does it mean, that rotational curves of stars in galaxies violate the Newtonian Physics? The Science is totally wrong, if even Newton was wrong? Together with Einstein.
    Correct?

    The solution to all problems is the unity with Religion and its God.
    Because God is Truth, and Truth is God.
    But has the Science made a first step towards Religion, if Science has not objectively defined the word "God"?
     
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    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Well, remember that Newton's law is incredibly accurate inside our solar system and when dealing with the planets or even double stars. General relativity is even more accurate. So, the fact that these highly accurate descriptions for our solar system do NOT give accurate descriptions for galaxies shows that there is something we don't understand about how galaxies move.

    Remember that Newton's law is accurate enough that overthrowing it was done by a measurement that amounted to less than on degree of error in the position of Mercury over the course of a century.

    Now, how does bringing in God help in any way to get a more precise description of the motions of stars in galaxies?
     
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  3. Nimos

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    I know nothing about this at all, but manage to find this that might help you and that the "solution" doesn't seem to be related to God.

    Up to this point, the discussion has largely concerned the peripheries of galaxies and the approach to the asymptotic limit of the acceleration. In Ref. [52], a completely different viewpoint is developed, from which the conclusion is that quantum mechanics plays a fundamental role in forming galaxies. For astrophysicists this is an unfamiliar idea. However, from a Particle Physics viewpoint it is simple and precise. Particle Physics governs Atomic and Particle Physics. It plays a fundamental role in forming Black Holes. Why not galaxies too? From a Particle Physics perspective, the natural way to express gravitation is in terms of quantised gravitons.

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.1695.pdf
     
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    A big problem is that science will not accept a God as long they can not see it, touch it or measure it. So to try joining Science and religion based on a creator God will not succeed.
     
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    Why even bring God into the equation? To date that has not been necessary. Dark matter was first proposed due to the motion of stars in galaxies, and again no need to invoke a God to observe this. The model that was developed to explain this has been confirmed in other ways as well. The model neither affirms nor disproves a God. The sciences are pretty much mum on the question of whether a God exists or not.
     
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    It is not a problem because if science accepts that there is a god (there isn't) then when we don't know something, scientists stop researching, shrug their shoulders and say, "God did it".
    God is not an answer, it is a hindrance.
     
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    There is no universal law of attraction. Its psuedo science rubbish.

    I heard that a lot when I was a Baptist. Technically true, but it's so heavily based in ignorance it was really nothing more than a way to give them an easy out when their scientific illiteracy began to become problematic for their world view. The cant challenge science, but they want to dismiss it, so they criticize it for not accepting what can't be physically measured. It helps to prevent interest in the subject as well.
     
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    The problem here is that no MOND based theory is compatible with observations of colliding galaxy clusters like the Bullet Cluster. To get them to be consistent with observations requires at least *some* dark matter.
     
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    When a testable theory involving a creator is presented that explains details better than the current theory, it will be taken seriously. But again, that requires multiple decimal place accuracy.
     
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    One day i think Science will find the truth same way as spiritual paths have done for many thousands of years, but in my understanding, science looking in the wrong area :) They only look at the physical world, but thats not where the highest truth is. But of course physical truth that can be seen or measured is here.
     
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    Well, observation and measurement are fundamental to the scientific method. When the non- physical becomes testable by public observation it will be science. Not before.
     
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    Fair enough :), As I said I know nothing about this. Just thought it could be helpful. Anyway good luck finding your answers though, it seems like a complicated topic :)
     
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    Newtonian Physics does not explain our greater universe as well as general relativity, and the contemporary physics, general relativity and Quantum Mechanics give further better explanations. The math using 'black matter' provides an adequate explanation for the rotational curves of stars in the galaxies. This demonstrates as science advances it provides better and better explanations of the physics of our universe. Any argument beyond this is an 'argument for ignorance,' a fallacy that fails repeatedly as science advances.

    What some call the 'Law of Attraction' (gravity?) is not universal, because it does not apply at the level of Quantum Mechanics.
     
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    No it simply means you believe reality is virtual. No god needed.

    Do you think reality is virtual? Yes. Is reality virtual? No. Simple.
     
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    The so-called law of universal attraction is not about gravity or anything else related to science. Its some hocus pokus nonsense where basically if you think something hard enough you'll get it, but if you didn't get a million ars or cured of cancer you didn't want it enough. It's basically what you get when you combine an acid trip with extremely poorly represented and misrepresented Buddhism and QM.
     
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    Nature is defined by me (I have copyright: Dmitri Martila, 11.06.2019) as that, what Standard Instruments measure, and latter is what measures the Nature. But the God is spiritual, not natural. Thus, to measure God is making Him killed. Action of God or spiritual being (including Plazebo effect of humans) does changes to nature, e.g. the miracle of Holy Fire in Jerusalem. That can be measured, thus, miracles are natural things, caused by spiritual beings. The standard instruments, which measure the nature, are unchangeble by definition of measurement. Thus, spiritual world does change to these standards. Thus, e.g., wife and husband are physically separated bodies, but in spiritual unity. Our world is spiritually physical.
     
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    The closest thing I could come up with was gravity, and the reason I put a question mark on it. The whole thing was basically bogus.
     
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    What country issued you a copyright? Where can I find a copy of it?
     
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    I can most definitely assure you that nature was defined before your great-great-great grandfather passed through his mom's fallopian tube.
     
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    If you want to discuss science, why not post on a science forum? You're more likely to get actual scientists who can correctly answer your science questions that way. Presuming you actually want your science questions answered.
     
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