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Featured Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 74x12, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    Basically the same thing I said, or asked, and
    that irrelevant news of the obvious was a lame
    sort of "answer".

    What is obvious is that there is no answer, its
    all make believe.
     
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  2. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    No wonder their are hundreds of Christian denominations. Everyone is inspired by the Holy Spirit! :confused:
     
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  3. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    This skeptic doesn't see hellfire in that particular verse. What he does see, however, is an assumption (for which no evidence has ever been provided) that the "natural man" (presumably, the one who uses his senses and his brain to discern things) misses out because he's not using that other thing -- his "spirit." Now, since this "spirit" is not senses and mind, I'd like to have some explanation of how -- after this "spirit" discerns things -- it places them in the mind whereupon they are available for the believer to understand.
     
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  4. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    Who needs an explanation? Its obvious. Its impossible to
    translate, so people make up what suits their personality.
    I'd not honour that with a fine term like "methodology".
     
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  5. Israel Khan

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    Indeed! There is a place called Egypt. And humans and birds exist.

    But I get what you mean. You are referring to the narrative and supernatural claims. And you would be right in most cases. I would think that there are certain things, not supernatural, that are plausible, such as a man who claimed to be the messiah being crucified. But even if we knew exactly what was meant in the book, at the end of the day they are just claims from writers of various books. We would need to prove the fact of those claims using methods outside of the Bible.
     
  6. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    well gee

    I never was much of a Pauline
     
  7. Audie

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    To them, sure. Preachin' to the choir.
    Heaven's Gate, Branch Davidian, the purple kool
    aid people, inside it all seemed so believable.

    Fortunately, those outside can look at the craziness
    inside, and run for the exit.

    Exactly as it should be.
     
  8. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and when it comes to understanding scripture.....
    my plea of ignorance would be denied

    God and heaven will be able to see......I got it

    and making pretend that I didn't …….might earn for me
    a really serious slap up side the head
     
  9. Israel Khan

    Israel Khan Well-Known Member

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    You would be right. I would still consider what they use a methadology, or lack there of in many cases. Maybe even a poor methadology at best.
     
  10. Audie

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    Anywhere that proof /disproof can be applied, it
    is not in favour of the bible stories.
     
  11. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    Well, semantics aside, nobody knows what it really
    was supposed to mean, and the "method" is to make something
    up, or, let someone else make it up and believe that.
     
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  12. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    how about?
    Do unto others as you would have it done into you

    as a method
     
  13. Israel Khan

    Israel Khan Well-Known Member

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    The bible at best from what we have discovered at the moment is historical fiction. Much like Wilbur Smith books, especially the ones about Ancient Egypt.
     
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  14. Thief

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    and teaching in parables...…..?
     
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  15. Israel Khan

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    Yeah. I have looked into many different views of the Bible. It becomes especially confusing as interpreters switch between figurative and literal interpretation depending on what suits their theology. One also has the textual critical method of interpretation. Which approach is correct, nobody can objectively tell.
     
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  16. Bob the Unbeliever

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    Well, just so long as YOU, personally, approve, right?
     
  17. Israel Khan

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    Well, not a method of interpreting the Bible texts though. For instance how does that method align with God saying that the Israelites must kill a nation, including women, children and animals?
     
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  18. Thief

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    if you become a better person...….tomorrow

    would that be ….objective?
     
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  19. Israel Khan

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    In many cases yes. But then how would that apply to the Epistles of Paul?
     
  20. Thief

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    I think scripture is an arrow
    aimed at a moving target

    the target can see it coming
     
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