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Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Amanaki, Sep 16, 2019.

  1. Amanaki

    Amanaki Well-Known Member

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    A question that arises a lot for me this days is. "how can we make so radical critique of a religion or spiritual path we do not follow our self"?

    I have done this fault many times my self, but realized that it is not going to help me in the faith; Belief or religious practice i do, The new understanding to me is, " How do ifind the answer needed with in my own belief or religious teachings". I do not need to make critique of others anymore, because it is enough to make critique of my own way of living spiritual life as long i can not even fully grasp or follow the teaching I my self see as truth., so first i must clean up within me. then i maybe can ask questions why others do as they do.

    So why do we keep trying to pull down others way of living or belief?
     
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  2. rocala

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    Hi @Amanaki

    Interesting post, but it puzzles me considerably (apart from the incorrect English). May I use Islam as an example? I do so purely because you have gone to a lot of effort recently on this particular subject.

    Question 1: Why are you not a Muslim? You have quite specifically rejected Islam as your chosen faith. Is this not a critique? Is this a contradiction of your post?

    Question 2: You do not follow an anti-Islamic path yet you critique this mode of thought. Is this not a contradiction of your post?
     
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  3. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Satsang is to sit in 'Truthful Company', coming to realization of the fallacies of the Maya around us; which then can lead some of us to seeing more clearly what some truths might be.

    Taking someone's trust/faith is wrong, as we should try to help everyone see that our own beliefs blind us to truly seeing the world around us as One.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  4. Amanaki

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    I found the buddhist teaching to fit my way of thinking more then other religion/spiritual teachings, so this is why i in 1997 started to learn buddhist way of life. I do not reject other religions, ijust do not follow their teaching.

    I do not make critique of Islam or Muslims I do have made critique of those who oposes Islam and speak bad about Muslims that is true. But i now see this as not the right way of expressing truth,so i will end this form of speaknig about others.
     
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    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    When we recognize Islam in the Quran is that all religious authors sent by the Source say the same universal message, and it gets corrupted by religiousness...

    This is a big reason why people pull others down, correction into authoritative scholarship, rather than divinely inspired authorship.

    A Muslim is a Servant of the Source, who sees the Mountain as One without distinction (2:285); not a Muhammadan who merely sits on the mountain waiting for their prophet to return.

    Often we will find those who sit perched on a ledge of the Mountain, waiting for a guide, will push others off 'their ledge'; due to the lack of space only one route provides.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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  6. Amanaki

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    Your answer is a lot like how i realized it the last days :)
    That those who do not see or understand dont want others to see or understand either. So they chose to become wicced and more and more evil.
    And those who do see the wisdom will not be harmed by those who can not yet see.
     
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    Now tho I hear Daniel 12:10 saying these exact same words, I'm not convinced to be honest...

    Like bramble can be trained to create lush fortress style blackberry hedges; we just need to have the right gloves to handle that type of system, and that is where the texts are there to train some to help others...

    Instead many chastise others, as they're opinionated, rather than originated.

    Thus just burning bramble, as people don't want to deal with other people kindly, is crazy religious zealousness; the Source wants all to come to realization, else they'll no longer exist when they wipe themselves out.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  8. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism and critique.
     
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    True, but when the critique become evil or harmful toward those who receive the critique then it is no longer a good way of making critique.
    Also often those who make critique lack the wisdom a teaching holds as long they do not follow the teaching them self.
     
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    Very true, but (and it is a big one) this is not what you said in your opening post. You have stated, please correct me if I am wrong, that it is wrong to criticize a "religion or spiritual path which we do not follow our self."

    Once again Amanaki you have opened from one position but based your argument on something different.
     
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    My OP is a Question toward those who make a lot of critique of example Islam and they do not them self follow the teaching, so how can they know that their view is the correct? How can they know that "ALL" muslims are wrong when it is maybe 1% of muslims who show the evil side of not knowing their own religion.
    Yes i have made critiqe too, but i realized that no matter how much i critique others,it is not going to help my own cultivation. No matter how much i want everyone to see the good of religion,i know i can not do that anymore, because that is not how human beings act, 99% of human beings react because of Ego. that THEY MUST be correct.

    I do see that my threads in the last weeks have been to no use for many, and honestly i thinking of not asking more question in the Forum, because it has no use when it become back and forth of words but no meaning behind them.

    Maye silence is the only way from now
     
  12. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I think it's just as bad to allow people to wallow in ignorance and delusion. It would be a great disservice not to point things out just for sake of their feelings or whatever.

    It's like pulling out a proverbial splinter in the brain. It's going to hurt when you tug it out.

    I mean what would be a skillfull means if a person ran up to you and yelled, "My head is gone" ! "My head is gone"!!!

    Do you hold up a mirror and say, "Look" , or do you just tell them nonchalantly their head just went thataway bub. ~^.
     
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    Sounds like you are saying we shouldn’t be critical of lemmings for walking off a cliff unless we have walked off ourselves.

    When we can see where a path inevitably leads we do not need to walk it to be critical of it.
     
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  14. Amanaki

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    What you say here i do agree with, The reason i opened the OP was to try to say that maybe we is better of looking at our own path and not critique those who choose a different path.
    But i guess my OP backfired from what i was thinking it would do.
     
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    I can agree on the need to self critique or self reflect, it would be hypocrisy not to search ourselves for the failures we see in others :)
     
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    @Amanaki my friend, I probably know what you mean, who can say? I am going to change tack here. You are (again) setting yourself up as the teacher here. Perhaps you are qualified to do so?

    I will say with the best intent that you are not doing a good job of being a "Cultivator of the Dharma". Quite simply your English is not up to the standard required for in depth spiritual discussion. There have been several cases where time was wasted because you were unable to express and sometimes contradicted your beliefs.

    You are a very good man, I have no doubts there. You want to be a serious "Cultivator of the Dharma"? Well for a start you can ask why you have such a huge number of posts on RF in two years when you could have been improving your language skills. Do I get a whiff of attachment?

    Get serious my friend, and stop messing around with trivia.
     
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    Thank you for your honesty. I will take your advice and no longer be posting this form of questions. There are no need for this form of questions in this forum.
    So yes you opened my eyes to this now. :)
     
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    @Amanaki Hey friend I did not mean 'vanish', you have friends here. Just get a perspective.
     
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    I see a difference in "critique of Religion" and "critique of Actions" (any Actions, done in name of Religion or not)

    In my country we have "Freedom of Religion", that means "critique of Religion" makes no sense, because all have "Freedom to choose Religion"
    In my country we have "Freedom of Speech", which means you are free to share your vision/belief (it's not demanded to criticize Religions; I don't)
    In my country we have NOT "Freedom criticizing other's Religion" as a Law, so I refrain from that (daily practice)
    In my country we have NOT "Freedom of using speech to hurt others" as a Law, so I refrain from that (daily practice)

    In my country we have a Law telling not to hurt others (we should not cross borders of others; physical, verbal, mental - brainwash, voodoo etc)
    If others, in the name of Religion, brainwash, threaten or kill, then there is the Law that we may speak out, because this is injustice/harm done

    This has nothing to do with criticizing their Religion. Just their actions done, which hurt others. That is all. A huge distinction.
    Religion is something internal, mental you do yourself. The moment you start imposing onto others the problem might kick in. And the Law applies.

    This is how I believe. We have "Freedom of Religion", so all are free to disagree and create their own "belief system".
     
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  20. Vinayaka

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    Sometimes simple observations are taken as radical criticisms by the adherents when they're insecure. It's like when you're teaching, and you point out a spelling error to a kid, and they start bawling, go home, tell Mommy, and she comes in to straighten you out.

    A simple observation, or saying you disagree with something isn't the kind of criticism you're suggesting.
     
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