Unconditional Mind

[Shadow Wolf]

and they explain to you that energy; which consciousness is,

Not in the way that gravity and light are. We are physical creatures, but we are governed by biology, not physics. This idea that consciousness can't be created or destroyed but only transferred is not scientific, and blatantly false as before we are born we have no consciousness, and when we die our consciousness ceases with the rest of our biological functions.

 

[Fool]

I wouldn't say dissipation was transformation

dispersion, diffusion isn't destruction, neither is dissipation as one thing falls as another state arises.

 

[Fool]

I'm not sure that a "bot" is a good example; because, a "bot" is completely limited. Being part of a hive mind, is the opposite of unlimited.

your surety is your choice. if self has the need to feel safe and maintain the ego, that is self. the truth isn't a respecter of persons.

 

[Fool]

Not in the way that gravity and light are. We are physical creatures, but we are governed by biology, not physics. This idea that consciousness can't be created or destroyed but only transferred is not scientific, and blatantly false as before we are born we have no consciousness, and when we die our consciousness ceases with the rest of our biological functions.

physics is a physical thing; the consciousness is only governed by biology found on earth and the earthly vehicle in which it formed.

and you, as a thing, give off radiation; which is part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

 

[robocop (actually)]

do we enter into this existence with an unconditional, limitless mind?


if the mind is limitless does it then have direct insight as brahman?

I don't know of a limitation of how much our mind can grow or why we cannot become God.

 

[The Hammer]

do we enter into this existence with an unconditional, limitless mind?


if the mind is limitless does it then have direct insight as brahman?

Depends on what you mean by "limitless", we already know that our memory starts to fade after a while, so probably not.

"You might have only a few gigabytes of storage space, similar to the space in an iPod or a USB flash drive. Yet neurons combine so that each one helps with manymemories at a time, exponentially increasing the brain's memory storage capacity to something closer to around 2.5 petabytes (or a million gigabytes)."

How much can our brain store? GB..TB... or more? - Breakpoint Book

 

[Shadow Wolf]

the consciousness is only governed by biology found on earth and the earthly vehicle in which it formed.

The consciousness is more or less "animated" by, basically, electricity. Just like a computer it goes into rest mode and sleep mode and runs in the background, but once the electricity is entirely grounded out, just like a computer, our consciousness ceases to function.

 

[dybmh]

your surety is your choice. if self has the need to feel safe and maintain the ego, that is self. the truth isn't a respecter of persons.

FWIW, I'm not speaking about what I believe. It's not about safety.

 

[SalixIncendium]

do we enter into this existence with an unconditional, limitless mind?

No. Relative reality is governed by conditions and attachments vis-a-vis ignorance.

 

[Bethsheba Ashe]

do we enter into this existence with an unconditional, limitless mind?

I do not believe that the mind is limitless or infinite at even its highest levels. Almost infinite, yes, but not truly infinite. A truly infinite mind would never encounter itself and so would never have consciousness.

 

[stvdv]

do we enter into this existence with an unconditional, limitless mind?

Unconditional mind is a good tool for the mind to become "no mind", which is needed. Limitless mind is kind of the problem to enter into this existence

if the mind is limitless does it then have direct insight as brahman?

NO. Limitless mind is the obstacle on the spiritual path

 

[Howard Is]

It perceives and occupies a reality totally at odds with that of normal consciousness. This could be construed as delusion, hallucination or psychosis.

Why do you say that ?

Brahman’s nature is emptiness, Brahman’s characteristic called ordinary mind is emptiness.

Is there any difference between white light and a rainbow ?

 

[Howard Is]

I do not believe that the mind is limitless or infinite at even its highest levels. Almost infinite, yes, but not truly infinite. A truly infinite mind would never encounter itself and so would never have consciousness.

So we know two thirds of sweet infinity. I suspected as much.

 

[Polymath257]

no it doesn't. consciousness doesn't have to be aware of otherness as self, nor does it have to be exclusively conscious of self.

many humans are not aware of themselves but others and some humans are aware of themselves and not others.

Hmm....in the way that I use the word 'consciousness', it *is* required that it be awake and aware. When we are asleep, we are, by definition, not conscious.

 

[Polymath257]

and they explain to you that energy; which consciousness is, doesn't come and go with a form. consciousness comes as an electrical impulse in a biological, or non-biological transceiver.

the bigger the transceiver the better the signal reception, conveyance.


it isn't rocket science

Why do you think that energy and consciousness are the same? Or that consciousness is a form of energy? These propositions both seem to me to be clearly wrong.

 

[Fool]

Hmm....in the way that I use the word 'consciousness', it *is* required that it be awake and aware. When we are asleep, we are, by definition, not conscious.

consciousness flows in two directions. second dimension beings would not be aware of fourth dimensional things. so would that make them unconscious in 2nd dimension, or just unconscious in fourth?

 

[Howard Is]

Hmm....in the way that I use the word 'consciousness', it *is* required that it be awake and aware. When we are asleep, we are, by definition, not conscious.

We don’t remember most of our dreams. And what is there to remember of dreamless sleep ?

When we do remember our dreams, it is clear that they involve consciousness.

There are forms of consciousness “I” can’t remember.

If you can’t remember a dream of a tree falling in the forest, was there a dream of a tree falling in a forest ?

“in the way that I use the word 'consciousness‘ “

There are no standard definitions of the terms consciousness or awareness. Some folk use those terms interchangeably, while others use those terms quite differently.

I agree with you that consciousness and energy have two completely different meanings.

 

[Fool]

Why do you think that energy and consciousness are the same? Or that consciousness is a form of energy? These propositions both seem to me to be clearly wrong.

the no-hiding theorem has proven information; is neither created/destroyed.

 

[Polymath257]

consciousness flows in two directions. second dimension beings would not be aware of fourth dimensional things. so would that make them unconscious in 2nd dimension, or just unconscious in fourth?

Huh? That is simply a matter of having sensory inputs from different sources. We don't pick up radio waves, for example.

 

[Fool]

Huh? That is simply a matter of having sensory inputs from different sources. We don't pick up radio waves, for example.

actually electromagnetic fields can distort reality for a person