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Ukraine blitzkreig success

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
But if you want to attest here that Soros and Zelensky and have no kind of connection, just say it.
I think you're the only one who even cares about this.
For most of us, it's simple.
Putin in invaded Ukraine.
Russia should be violently repelled.
Soros is as relevant as a metalurgy text in a brothel.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I think you're the only one who even cares about this.
For most of us, it's simple.
Putin in invaded Ukraine.
Russia should be violently repelled.
Soros is as relevant as a metalurgy text in a brothel.
Apparently our country is so fond of Putin...that such an invasion doesn't change all that much.
After all...so many Americans refuse to answer very important questions.
What Nuland, and the Deep State was doing in Ukraine in 2014...
the more Americans leave those questions unanswered, the more that topic is covered up, the more Italians will love Putin.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Apparently our country is so fond of Putin...that such an invasion doesn't change all that much.
After all...so many Americans refuse to answer very important questions.
You ask questions about Soros & a conspiracy.
They're unanswerable.
It's not refusal....tis disinterest.
...the more Italians will love Putin.
Perhaps Italians should leave NATO, & join Russia.
They could be happier with an ally who violently
crushes other countries, persecutes gays, &
allows only propaganda as news. He could be
revered as much or more than Mussolini.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You ask questions about Soros & a conspiracy.
They're unanswerable.
It's not refusal....tis disinterest.
In my country the fifth amendment is applied to defendants only. So witnesses are not allowed to plead it, and reticent or false testimony leads witnesses to jail. Yes...we are a very inflexible country. So anything is answerable.


Perhaps Italians should leave NATO, & join Russia.
They could be happier with an ally who violently
crushes other countries, persecutes gays, &
allows only propaganda as news. He could be
revered as much or more than Mussolini.

Absolutely not. Why can't a country be allied with both Eagle and the Bear simultaneously?
Why is someone supposed to choose?
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Apparently our country is so fond of Putin...that such an invasion doesn't change all that much.
After all...so many Americans refuse to answer very important questions.
What Nuland, and the Deep State was doing in Ukraine in 2014...
the more Americans leave those questions unanswered, the more that topic is covered up, the more Italians will love Putin.

Italy has a record of choosing the wrong side in wars. It is not that good a choosing its own leaders. But few countries are
 

Flankerl

Well-Known Member
The fascist manure is really building up in this thread.

Quite disgusting that this is even tolerated on the Forum.
"We only want peace" yeah yeah shut it.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Since all this started because Russian speaking people in Donbas were persecuted by the Ukrainian government

You really will believe just anything that Russian state media propaganda tells you, ha?

So the lounge-loving and moneyed elites backed by the NATO will not have any pretext for any war

Last time I checked, it was Russia that invaded and thus started the war, not the other way round.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You really will believe just anything that Russian state media propaganda tells you, ha?
No. I trust my fellow Italians who went there in Donbas and have been there since 2014. I do trust them.

Last time I checked, it was Russia that invaded and thus started the war, not the other way round.

Consider this hypothetical situation, the statement by lawyer A:

A woman is visited by her own neighbor, one bad night. Her neighbor tries to convince her to have sex. She refuses him, then he ties her up, and rapes her.
Then he goes downstairs to drink, but intends to go upstairs to rape her again.
The woman unties herself and takes the scissors from her cupboard. When he comes up in the dark, she stabs him, killing him.
The lawyer A is the attorney of the neighbor's family: he sues the woman. And wants her to be jailed for 1st degree murder.

The woman's lawyer, lawyer B, points out: "but she had been raped one hour before the killing".
The lawyer A replies: what happened before the murder doesn't matter at all.
The point is that she took the scissor and stabbed him. And that's that.


It's identical: that's what the defenders of Sorosized Ukraine say all the time, like a mantra:
what happened between 2014 and 2020 is unimportant. All that matters is that Putin invaded Ukraine. That's what matters. And that's that.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
No. I trust my fellow Italians who went there in Donbas and have been there since 2014. I do trust them.
I recommend against trusting any Italians.
I keep hearing how they love fascism & Putin.
So there's likely prejudice against Ukrainian
independence. Perhaps they even want a
return to Soviet socialism & empire, eh.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I recommend against trusting any Italians.
I keep hearing how they love fascism & Putin.
So there's likely prejudice against Ukrainian
independence. Perhaps they even want a
return to Soviet socialism & empire, eh.

I come from one of the tiny countries of tiny Europe. My mind doesn't go to what the gigantic, enormous, majestic country named Russia does, because the EU has already so many challenges to face. We don't have the time to think of Putin. I was thinking of France's economy, yesterday.

That said, Italians cannot see or understand the difference between Ukrainians and Russians. So why should we side with either?
We side with those who want to peace.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
...Italians cannot see or understand the difference between Ukrainians and Russians. So why should we side with either?
Russia invades Ukraine.
Russia bombs schools, hospitals, homes, businesses, infrastruture.
Russia kills, tortures, & rapes many civilians.
Ukraine defends itself, attacking no Russian civilians.
Putin threatens nuclear war against Ukrainian allies.
And yet, Italians don't know which side to take.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Russia invades Ukraine.
Russia bombs schools, hospitals, homes, businesses, infrastruture.
Russia kills, tortures, & rapes many civilians.
Ukraine defends itself, attacking no Russian civilians.
Putin threatens nuclear war against Ukrainian allies.
And yet, Italians don't know which side to take.

Is siding with this individual better than siding with Vladimir Putin?

 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
No. I trust my fellow Italians who went there in Donbas and have been there since 2014. I do trust them.

I'm sorry, but I don't give much weight to anecdotes coming from a "guy who knows a guy who..." all the while it's an anonymous internet forum poster telling the story.

And I give it even less weight when it seems to be just parroting propaganda channels that have been exposed as pathological liars a million times over.

Consider this hypothetical situation, the statement by lawyer A:

A woman is visited by her own neighbor, one bad night. Her neighbor tries to convince her to have sex. She refuses him, then he ties her up, and rapes her.
Then he goes downstairs to drink, but intends to go upstairs to rape her again.
The woman unties herself and takes the scissors from her cupboard. When he comes up in the dark, she stabs him, killing him.
The lawyer A is the attorney of the neighbor's family: he sues the woman. And wants her to be jailed for 1st degree murder.

The woman's lawyer, lawyer B, points out: "but she had been raped one hour before the killing".
The lawyer A replies: what happened before the murder doesn't matter at all.
The point is that she took the scissor and stabbed him. And that's that.


It's identical: that's what the defenders of Sorosized Ukraine say all the time, like a mantra:
what happened between 2014 and 2020 is unimportant. All that matters is that Putin invaded Ukraine. That's what matters. And that's that.

And the propaganda claims another victim.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
That said, Italians cannot see or understand the difference between Ukrainians and Russians

The first is a western minded democratic nation that strives for prosperity and tolerance.
The latter is a corrupt hellhole run by a dictator who poisons his political opponents, oppresses LGBT's, implements laws that results in 15-year prison sentences when you publicly criticize political discourse or policy and who invades neighbours while raping just about every international rule of war and human rights.

Off course, you might miss this if your only source of intel is the propaganda of the latter.


So why should we side with either?

Indeed, why... :rolleyes:

We side with those who want to peace.

Then you shouldn't be siding with those who invade others.

That Ukraine today isn't interested in peace with the aggressor is NORMAL.

Imagine after Hitler invaded France, said to the other nations it was at war with that "he's ready to negotiate peace", but only on condition that those other nations "accept the new territorial reality" and that now France is thus part of Germany.

The allied forces would have OBVIOUSLY given him the finger and continued fighting.
Would you say then that Hitler wanted peace and the allied forces wanted war?

Give me a break.
 
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