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Ukraine blitzkreig success

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It appears Ukraine has pulled off a major coup with a "head fake" about their attack in one part of the country and instead made their main thrust in another area with stunning success. No one with an military knowledge expects the war to end quickly but I'm sure this one will be studied in war college. And from what I've been reading Kupyansk and Izyum are strategically important as road and rail hubs.

Russian troops in big retreat as Ukraine offensive advances in Kharkiv
 

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The world is on fire
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The picture from the OP:

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Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It appears Ukraine has pulled off a major coup with a "head fake" about their attack in one part of the country and instead made their main thrust in another area with stunning success. No one with an military knowledge expects the war to end quickly but I'm sure this one will be studied in war college. And from what I've been reading Kupyansk and Izyum are strategically important as road and rail hubs.

Russian troops in big retreat as Ukraine offensive advances in Kharkiv
It's called a ruse.

Remember Patton.

D day....
 

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The world is on fire
Premium Member
It's called a ruse.

Remember Patton.

D day....
And given all the drones and satellites the Russians have, very good planning on the part of the Ukraine military along with stupidity and/or blindness on the Russian side.
 

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The world is on fire
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For those interested in military history:

Ukraine’s Big Counteroffensive Seems Inspired by Sun Tzu

ISW affirms that Ukraine scored a “remarkable operational surprise” in Kharkiv oblast. Russian commanders had withdrawn forces from the region to guard the southern city of Kherson, where Ukraine has also mounted counteroffensive operations. At present Western specialists are debating whether the southerly effort was a feint to siphon Russian forces from the north, or whether Ukrainian commanders meant to make a serious push to regain control of Kherson and sever the land bridge connecting the Crimean Peninsula with eastern Ukraine (and thus Russia).

But both parties to the debate could have it right. Kherson could be a feint—with commanders reserving the option to make it something more should the gods of war smile on Ukrainian arms.

In fact, the counteroffensive has a Sun Tzuian flair to it. The ancient Chinese general exhorted commanders to launch direct, or “orthodox,” attacks in conjunction with indirect, or “unorthodox,” attacks on the enemy host—keeping hostile commanders dizzy with indecision. “Normal” forces should carry out a direct frontal assault while “extraordinary” forces struck at the foe’s flanks, dislocating its efforts at defense. “The force which confronts the enemy is the normal” according to Sun Tzu; “that which goes to his flanks the extraordinary. No commander of an army can wrest the advantage from the enemy without extraordinary forces.”
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Operational advantage, then, accrues from thrusting enemy commanders onto the horns of a dilemma. They don’t know which is the main line of assault, and thus where to commit the bulk of their manpower and firepower to blunt it. And Sun Tzu advises the general to keep them guessing—compounding their dilemma. “I make the enemy conceive my normal force to be the extraordinary and my extraordinary to be the normal. Moreover, the normal may become the extraordinary and vice versa.” If the extraordinary contingent meets with success on the battleground while the normal contingent encounters fierce resistance, in other words, the field general should redesignate the extraordinary force as the normal force—and apply most of the army’s resources to that more promising line of effort.
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And a virtuoso general would shift the effort back again should the shifting fortunes of battle warrant. Etc. In short, Sun Tzu prescribes a highly fluid, deceptive approach to warmaking.
 

Estro Felino

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Since all this started because Russian speaking people in Donbas were persecuted by the Ukrainian government, a solution would be to move all these people to Russia.
And to give the de-Russified Donbas back to Ukraine...if that's what the president Zelensky wants.

So the lounge-loving and moneyed elites backed by the NATO will not have any pretext for any war, any more.
Because they found a pretext. And they provoked the war.
 
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Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
It seems to help when you capture the commanding general during the attack.
It adds insult to injury, they shot him in the butt in the process.
There is a photo of him getting a field dressing.

It looks like they even overshot the Russian border in one place. And captured some vehicles.

The danger of course is that they have outpaced their supply lines. Fortunately they can use captured munitions and equipment.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I make an exception for the aggressors in war.
Let them die off quickly so that the good guys
can win with minimum losses.
There are financial and banking elites who would do anything to get the control of the incredibly immense raw materials the Russian Federation has. Putin nationalized those raw materials. So they hate Putin...because it is the man who has been preventing them, for years from taking possession of the natural wealth Russia has.
Which include natural gas, of course.
And to get those resources, they were disposed to create the pretext of a proxy war, in Ukraine, which they have made their own stronghold.
And that is exactly what they are doing.
Their goal is to weaken Russia, and to eliminate Putin, in order to replace him with some traitor who will privatize the natural gas and give it to them.
 
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Father Heathen

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Since all this started because Russian speaking people in Donbas were persecuted by the Ukrainian government, a solution would be to move all these people to Russia.
And to give the de-Russified Donbas back to Ukraine...if that's what the president Zelensky wants.

So the lounge-loving and moneyed elites backed by the NATO will not have any pretext for any war, any more.
Because they found a pretext. And they provoked the war.
Nonsense. In what way was the Russian aggression a necessity? Do you think that the rape, torture, and murder of Ukrainian civilians - including children - are somehow justified?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
There are financial and banking elites who would do anything to get the control of the incredibly immense raw materials the Russian Federation has.

They had a heart attack when Putin nationalized those raw materials. So they hate Putin...because it is the man who has been preventing them, for years from taking possession of the natural wealth Russia has.
Which include natural gas, of course.
As insatiable as ravenous wolves, they have been drooling over the natural resources of Russia.
And to get them, they were disposed to create the pretext of a proxy war, in Ukraine, which they have made their own stronghold.
And that is exactly what they are doing.
Their goal is to weaken Russia, and to eliminate Putin, in order to replace him with some traitor who will privatize the natural gas and give it to them.

I don't condone any war. But as a Christian, I think that greed turns people into assassins.

My memory might be faulty, but aren't you trans? Putin doesn't take kindly to LGBT.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There are financial and banking elites who would do anything to get the control of the incredibly immense raw materials the Russian Federation has.
And Putin would do anything...& kill anyone to
expand his empire. I hope the banking elites
defeat Russia forthwith.
They had a heart attack when Putin nationalized those raw materials. So they hate Putin...because it is the man who has been preventing them, for years from taking possession of the natural wealth Russia has.
Putin only nationalizes property of his political foes.
For his friends, it's all privatized sweetheart deals.
Which include natural gas, of course.
As insatiable as ravenous wolves, they have been drooling over the natural resources of Russia.
And to get them, they were disposed to create the pretext of a proxy war, in Ukraine, which they have made their own stronghold.
And that is exactly what they are doing.
Their goal is to weaken Russia, and to eliminate Putin, in order to replace him with some traitor who will privatize the natural gas and give it to them.

I don't condone any war. But as a Christian, I think that greed turns people into assassins.
The greed I see lies with Putin & his allies.
Let them all suffer defeat ASAP.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Nonsense. In what way was the Russian aggression a necessity? Do you think that the rape, torture, and murder of Ukrainian civilians - including children - are somehow justified?
As I said...I don't condone this war. I don't condone any war.

There are so many territorial disputes within the European Union, and zero wars.
So I think the territorial question of Donbas was just a pretext, an excuse set out to wage this war.
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And Putin would do anything...& kill anyone to
expand his empire. I hope the banking elites
defeat Russia forthwith.
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I don't side with the banking elites, of course.
One question: if the Italian people rises up against these elites, aided by the Russians, will the NATO intervene, or will the NATO, courteously, mind their own business?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
As I said...I don't condone this war. I don't condone any war.

There are so many territorial questions within the European Union, and zero wars.
So I think the territorial question of Donbas was just a pretext, an excuse set out to wage this war.

You blame the victim as if Russia had no choice. The onus is on Putin, who's a dishonorable piece of ****.
 
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