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Ubuntu?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Eddi, May 5, 2021.

  1. Eddi

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    What do people here think of Ubuntu?

    And I mean the African philosophy, not the operating system

    Ubuntu philosophy - Wikipedia

    I like it

    the word means "a person is a person through other people"

    Which I think is true
     
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  2. darkskies

    darkskies Active Member

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    Dammit

    First time I heard of this. Thanks for sharing.
     
  3. lewisnotmiller

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    The 2008 Boston Celtics constantly spoke about this in 2008 on their way to a championship.
    My basketball nerdery leads me to thinking about that when I hear the word.
     
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    I like it.
    Oh, OK, never mind, carry on.
     
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    I have always understood it as a sense of community. But I don't know about it that much because it is a Zulu word, not a Xhosa one, and the majority of Zulu's live in KZN. But the African tribes do have a strong sense of community, although it can become dark at times. Community shouldn't be at the expense of the individual and when common prejudice spreads in a community, the nonconformist individuals are the ones who suffer.

    The definition that you have found I disagree with. A person is a person despite what the community thinks. I am a strong individualist.
     
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  6. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Aw shucks. I was all ready to sing the praises of the operating system.

    The Wikipedia page is to me complex because I could read the philosophy in different ways. I liked this:

    Archbishop Desmond Tutu: A person with Ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, based from a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.

    I'm reminded of John Donne's poem:

    Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
     
  7. JustGeorge

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    Makes sense to me.

    It isn't that one can't be a person on their own. But typically, the more relevant a person is, the more they're mingling with others in some form(whether it be in person or through another means, like writing). If I say Bill Clinton, many people will know who I'm talking about and have some view. He became relevant through his association with many many people. If I say James Gaede, its likely very few will know who I'm talking about(he was my grandfather), as his social association was much smaller.
     
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