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U.S. Muslims and Mormons share deepening ties

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions DIR' started by Sahar, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    Scott,

    I thought I answered your question, fairly clearly, Scott. Evidently you cognitive abilities are diminishing. The simple fact that you want black and white answers to somewhat grey questions, presented in a purposely skewed manner, isn't so much my problem, but rather, is more indicative of the personal bias of he who wrote said questions. Likewise, it is somewhat odd being called "evasive" by one who is arguably one of the most evasive posters on RF.

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    Okay, let's boile it down to one question, and avoid yes's an d no's.

    What is your objection to Muslims and LDS Christians seeking ways to work together for their common benefit and perhaps the benefit of society in general?

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    Scott
     
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    if i may be so bold i have no objection at all! i am just skeptical, its a fault of mine.
     
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    Be BOLD! Part of logic is a certain degree of skepticism. Part of good skepticism is patience to see what outcomes may arise.

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    Scott
     
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    To you who are actually participating in this interfaith cooperation between LDS and Islam, may I suggest you contact area Baha`i's to see if they might wish to participate as well. Interfaith cooperation gets better as there are more partners in the effort.

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    Scott
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I'm thinking that when it gets right down to it, it's that you like Mormons and you don't like Muslims. ;) You do realize, I hope, that polls consistently show that both the Muslims and the Mormons are among the most hated groups in America. If American Muslims want to improve their image, you'd think that they'd aim just a bit higher.
     
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    I have nothing against such discussions taking place, but was disturbed to hear it put, "to discuss areas of common interest". That might sound odd, given that it is billed as a simple outreach, but the point is that there is such a cavernous gulf between the two religion's that unless they stick to "common ground issues" it is unlikely they would have much to talk about before the gloves came off and tea was spilled on the carpet. But what the heck "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions".

    As I said earlier, I could develope quite a warm relationship with a Democrat, if we did not discuss politics, and likewise, could possibly develope warm and fuzzy feelings for an environmentalist, as long as we did not discuss environmental issue. My point is, though pleasant, these relationships would, out of necessity, remain somewhat superficial relationships as they would ignore areas that are of prime importance to those involved.
     
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    Nice try Kathryn, but no cigar. I do like Mormons but consider their theology realtively harmless. Otoh, I quite like most Muslims whereas I have distinct contempt for many aspects of Islamic theology.

    That may be, but where better than to start with the odd man out? If what you say is true this could have the nasty effect of polarizing opinion against Mormon's even more than already exists.
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Well, it's good that we're not concerned about the negative ramifications of being nice then, huh? ;) People will always hate us. They don't really need valid reasons. If people hate us even more because of our relationship with Muslims or Jews or anybody else, that's their problem, not ours.
     
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    i patiently await the outcome of those who boldly go where no man has gone before,
     
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    Sorry Kathryn it is just so odd to cozy up to a religion that openly dismisses your prophet and laughs outright at the idea of god having a physical body. Good luck on the bake sale.
     
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    Jesus was—and is—the consummate teacher. Never in the Bible or in my favorite book, The Urantia Book, do we see Jesus debating. The Urantia Book tells us about a Greek philosopher, Rodan, who came to meet with Jesus. And though Jesus did graciously receive him, he declined to enter into a conference with him and instructed that Nathaniel and Thomas should listen to all he had to say and tell him about the gospel in return. This they did, and The Urantia Book makes clear that Rodan was much worth listening to. But Rodan contended that “In order to be a person, God must have symbols of spirit communication which would enable him to become fully understood by those who make contact with him. But since God is infinite and eternal, the Creator of all other beings, it follows that, as regards beings of equality, God is alone in the universe. There are none equal to him; there are none with whom he can communicate as an equal. God indeed may be the source of all personality, but as such he is transcendent to personality, even as the Creator is above and beyond the creature.” We are told that “Nathaniel appealed to his own personal experience with God, and that Rodan allowed, affirming that he had recently had similar experiences, but these experiences, he contended, proved only the reality of God, not his personality.”

    Thomas and Nathaniel were greatly troubled by this and asked Jesus to come to their rescue, but Jesus refused, saying to Thomas: “It matters little what idea of the Father you may entertain as long as you are spiritually acquainted with the ideal of his infinite and eternal nature.” This is my favorite saying. I won't go into details of how the following discussion between Nathaniel, Thomas and Rodan went except to say that, in the end, Rodan was convinced of the personality of God. Nevertheless, I am convinced that the debate Nathaniel and Thomas had with Rodan was a mistake. The desire for uniformity of thought was with the apostles from the very beginning of Jesus' ministry. For before Rodan, there was a discussion about spiritual unity and James asked,
    Now, all this having been said, it should nevertheless be made clear that what we believe is also important: “After all,” as The Urantia Book says, “it is what one believes rather than what one knows that determines conduct and dominates personal performances. Purely factual knowledge exerts very little influence upon the average man unless it becomes emotionally activated.” We've seen that religion without spirit-realization of unity is no better than emotionally activated facts devoid of God. Therefore, let faith stand for our relationship with God; let our beliefs stand for the conceptual interpretation of the genuine religious experience of ideal-values rather than incontrovertible facts. For “The mission of theology is merely to facilitate the self-consciousness of personal spiritual experience. Theology constitutes the religious effort to define, clarify, expound, and justify the experiential claims of religion, which, in the last analysis, can be validated only by living faith.”
     
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    halal of course!
     
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    Well, all religions other than my own openly dismiss our prophet and laugh outright at the idea of God having a physical body. I guess that means we ought to all hole up in a remote site in Texas, dress like pioneers and start having sex with our kids. Nobody likes us. Everybody hates us. We're gonna go and eat worms! :D
     
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    Unless it is some kind of meat pie, baking does n ot apply to halal.
    adjective Definition: 1. ritually slaughtered: describes meat from animals that have been slaughtered in the ritual way prescribed by Islamic law

    2. of halal meat: relating to halal meat

    "Halal" is much more restricted that "Kosher".

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    Tut, tut, Kathryn. I will be honest, I am and have been unaware of how you are hated so. That is simply not my experience. In Canada, Mormon's are viewed theologically as being "a bit off the beam" but I have never heard ANYONE express hatred towards Mormon. Dead straight. Heck, I love you folks... why does it matter what others think, lol. It is not every religion that can claim the undying affections of a living frost giant, don'tcha know. I guess, all I am trying to say is "be careful", though you may have to understand a great deal more about Islam to understand why exactly.
     
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    I don't see why people discuss differences in theology when talking about a gesture that transcends theology. The focus of discussion should be on shared goals and values, not creeds.
     
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    what are the shared goals and values?
     
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    although i did post that with a certain amount of tongue in cheek. there is in fact a lot more to Halal than meat.

    Halal in fact applies not only to food products but to all aspects of life and social context.
     
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