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U.S. Catholic Church, this is unconscionable.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jayhawker Soule, Jul 10, 2020.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    I doubt they were even the best. I'd bet a LOT of that money went to friends of Trump.
     
  3. Brian2

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    Was Judaism in this scheme.
    Here in Australia the Govt also is giving money to churches because of Corona Virus. It is to keep the economy going here. Ministers have been getting the same sort of payments as other workers suffering because of the virus and there was even a grant to small businesses which churches got.
    I was surprised.
    It certainly would not be fair if only the Catholic Church go some money in the US and others missed out.
    Do you think that the churches should return the money?
     
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    The Vatican should repay it with interest because they clearly don't need it.
     
  5. Revoltingest

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    It was free money.
    It went all over the place.
    Connected Pubs, connected Dems (eg, Pelosi's hubby), churches, mosques, synagogues....
    It was/is a massive confetti campaign. I should'a gotten in on it, but....meh.....too lazy to apply.
    And my businesses aren't suffering.
     
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    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    If the Jedi religion and a satanist church got money, there's nothing wrong. Right?
     
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    No, neither was Christianity. Funds go to institutions, not theologies.
     
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    Pelosi's hubby. Ohhh.... I almost had forgotten about that.
     
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    It's all been made legal here, so that's the bottom line.
     
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    According to the article, ‘The church’s haul may have reached — or even exceeded — $3.5 billion, making a global religious institution with more than a billion followers among the biggest winners in the U.S. government’s pandemic relief efforts,’

    Have to wonder who the other big winners were and why they weren’t named
     
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    I guess the Jews and Christians don't take that good of care of their secular employees as well as the Catholics?

    ...Nurses, doctors, professors, and subsequent staff.

    This is just one of many Catholic owned non-profit hospitals:
    Facts and Statistics | Ascension

    Then there's DePaul, Georgetown, Loyola, LaSalle, Notre Dame, etc.
     
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    Catholic universities employ faculty and staff of all faith backgrounds.

    ...And these staff members pay taxes.
     
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    The Vatican doesn't need public funds. They have vast depths of wealth. That money was intended for people who need help. Now businesses without centuries of stolen and accumulated wealth are going out of business because enough is never enough to the Vatican.
     
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    No money is being paid to the Vatican. These are *American* employees, of no particular faith background, that will be able to keep their jobs through the Paycheck Protection Program.

    We're talking about janitors, professors, nurses, food service workers, counselors, etc.
     
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    Also, @Shadow Wolf, the Vatican has one of the smallest GDP of any country in the world. Many times smaller than the United States.

    FACT:
    United States has a GDP of 20.54 trillion USD

    Ethiopia has a GDP of 84.36 billion USD

    Vatican City State has a GDP of 21 million USD
     
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    Meh, we humans are generally 'unconscionable.' We can't organize into anything without power lust from the ego-ridden primate within all of us. I guess that's why I was always interested in a religion that would really humble the ego right out of us , as abrahamic religion seems to gives us all too much power. Real contrition, in my opinion, admits that we are flawed animals, and we should question our place in the hierarchy here. Why should the throne of the earth grant itself to us, if we think ourselves worth more than sparrows?
     
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    The Vatican has assets but I don't know how much that is or whether it is liquid assets or not.
    The individual parishes and diocese are probably in a different position and rely on the contributions of parishioners for the running of the churches in their area, and that contribution has probably depleted because of the virus.
    I guess the Govt must think that the ongoing viability of churches is a good thing for society or some other reason related to the economy and maybe the work that the churches do in various charitable and educational ways which the Govt may see as vital economically and in the society's interest to continue.
    For the Vatican to pay back the money would probably mean a whole restructuring of the church's financial setup.
     
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    There probably is some institutional legal structure for Judaism which may have received money.
     
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    I don't know the reasoning behind it. If the Jedi religion is a registered charity or employs people who have or may lose their jobs or contribute to education and charity work etc, if these are in the reasoning then they should get money also.
    At the moment all I know is that the Catholic church received money because of the Corona Virus. Maybe that is all you know also. What can I say to verify that this was given justly and for good reason?
    I'm in Australia and don't know much about the US politics and prejudices of the people, even if I can guess. Revoltingest in post 5 seems to know more about it that I do.
     
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