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Two Words That Disprove the Bible

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Giega, Apr 24, 2011.

  1. Gaura Priya

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    I love the Bible... it is full of allegory. :D

    "For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman. Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise. Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.

    Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother. For it is written,

    Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not;
    Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not:
    For more are the children of the desolate
    than of her that hath the husband.


    Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
    But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now. Howbeit what saith the scripture? Cast out the handmaid and her son: for the son of the handmaid shall not inherit with the son of the freewoman

    Wherefore, brethren, we are not children of a handmaid, but of the freewoman.

    For freedom did Christ set us free: stand fast therefore, and be not entangled again in a yoke of bondage."

    -- Galatians 4:22-31, 5
     
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  2. Tathagata

    Tathagata Freethinker

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    That's not disproof of the Bible at all. That's an asinine statement to think that such a statement disproves anything. If you want to disprove the Bible, you actually have to pick it apart and demonstrate why it is undoubtably false. If you aren't doing that, you can't call it "disproof."

    You're so called "two words" are nothing but a statement of skepticism, NOT disproof.

    Perhaps you need a dictionary to tell you what "disproof" is because clearly you haven't the slightest clue!

    Disprove: 1. to prove (an assertion, claim, etc.) to be false or wrong; refute; invalidate

    2. to show (an assertion, claim, etc) to be incorrect

    -- Disprove | Define Disprove at Dictionary.com

    You have not invalidated, falsified, or demonstrate anything to be incorrect! Those two words are FAR from a disproof.


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  3. horizon_mj1

    horizon_mj1 Well-Known Member

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    This would fall under one of the unprovable things in the Bible. If this is your only focus and basis on the entire book, IMO that is kind of sad. I do not take any text relating to an other person's beliefs as absolute fact, I take it at face value. There is almost always some kind of manipulation in order to try and convince people it is right. If you read such and keep this in mind, it can still be helpful. Oh and by the way virgin births do happen, it is just we do not documentation of this happening to a person; BBC - Earth News - Snake gives 'virgin birth' to extraordinary babies
     
  4. horizon_mj1

    horizon_mj1 Well-Known Member

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    Why? Does it bother you so much that at the time they did not have the scientific knowledge of evolution. Argue this point all you want. Creation is a scientific fact. This fact is called the big bang. The elements of evolution were "created" by something in order for evolution to happen. Metaphorical writings are (IMO) one the most popular types of writing from people who are trying to explain something they do not know. Once again this applies. I actually feel kind of sorry for people who lack imagination. Some people obviously lack the ability to sensibly reason when reading, which I would think makes comprehension quite difficult.
     
  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    So you haven't drawn the line yet....life after death?
    Spiritual life preferred?

    And here you would be denouncing scripture.
     
  6. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    Nice try but a lack of proof does not equate to a disproof.

    However for those who hae a relationship with God the Bible is proved by God saying that it happened.
     
  7. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    Evolution can't be proved any better than the Bible. It is still an unproven theory. THe big bang is a modern myth used to explain current trends because science doesn't have enough information for a better answer. It is also unprovable.
     
  8. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

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    Science does not determine what is possible only as you say what is possible for those restricted to science. For instance doctors don't heal people most of the time; they prescribe medicines that alleviate the symptoms and cut out parts of the body that don't operate correctly. Christian healers actually restore the body back to its healthy operational status.
     
  9. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    Actually evolution has been proven. That is why it is a theory. Now, you must understand what theory means in a scientific context. If you do, then you would know that it isn't just a guess.

    And there is quite a bit of evidence supporting the Big Bang (which is completely separate from evolution). Again, theory must be put in it's correct context, a scientific one.
     
  10. tumbleweed41

    tumbleweed41 Resident Liberal Hippie

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    "Prove it" does not disprove anything.
    However, actual history and science discredits much.
     
  11. ImmortalFlame

    ImmortalFlame Woke gremlin

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    Can you provide any evidence of this?
     
  12. blackout

    blackout Violet.

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    I can prove that the bible is real.

    It is a real book.
    It exists, it is made of pages with ink
    that form particular words and sentences
    and chapters
    that have been titled "the Bible".
    Which I can prove by showing you the front cover,
    where it says "the Bible".

    Beyond that,
    there is nothing to prove.
     
  13. sojourner

    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Got five of them sitting next to each other on my bookcase at the office. Yep. The Bible does exist. I've got physical proof.
     
  14. horizon_mj1

    horizon_mj1 Well-Known Member

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    The theory itself remains to be proved, but facts that there were humanoid/bipeds which are closer relatives to us than any known species (of course this being found through DNA testing and carbon dating). As far as the Big Bang Theory, do you have a better explanation? Do you even know what you are saying by asking for a "better answer"; well they are the ones who looked for the answers and did all the work, yet I do not see anyone else finding any answers aside from ones that come from fairy tales.
     
  15. tumbleweed41

    tumbleweed41 Resident Liberal Hippie

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    Please understand that a Scientific Theory is never "proved".
    A Scientific Theory is composed of empirical testable and observable evidence.


    But back to the OP...

    Muffled's response that "Evolution can't be proved any better than the Bible." is a Red Herring that has successfully distracted from the OP.

    "Prove it" is fine for those, like myself, who require evidence for fantastical claims. But, it does not "disprove" the Bible. There are, however, many elements of the Bible that, when taken literally, fly in the face of known science and history. These elements are shown to be false as literal, or merely metaphorical and/or allegorical.
     
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  16. roli

    roli Born Again,Spirit Filled

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    Aside from the archaeological finds, geographical locations which attest to and confirm biblical accounts, dead seas scrolls and countless trasnscripts found that confirm the bible we have today, non christian jewish historians and their writings, the scientific, geological, physiological discoveries mentioned first in scripture......... May I suggest you do some research on the proofs that are out there..before you make such a post

    What would you do with the proof if you had it..,,read Josh MacDowell "The Evidence that Demands Verdict" an atheist lawyer who went on search to disprove the bible by using his inexhaustible experience and resources he had at his disposal as a professional and who's life was based on researching facts and proofs and was surprised at his conclusion.......let's just say..he was soundly saved and is a devote born again spirit filled Christian, author, speaker, apologist...

    Many people will refute the bible and Jesus Christ all their lives and in my experience of talking with people..they do so more from the point of not wanting to confront their inevitable fate of mortality and the claims of the bible that says there will be judgment...so like many ..we deny, refute,ignore, sweep it under the rug.

    The question remains, what will you do if the bible is true...what will you do with Jesus Christ, now in this life and in the one to come.....?
     
  17. tumbleweed41

    tumbleweed41 Resident Liberal Hippie

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    Why would you misrepresent Josh McDowell?

    In his own words he claims he was agnostic when, as a first year business law student at a two year college, he was preparing a paper on examining the historical evidence of the Christian faith in order to disprove it, when he came to the conclusion that Christianity was supported by evidence.

    At that point he dropped out of community college and began attending Wheaton College in Illinois, where he received a Bachelors of Arts degree in Theological Studies.


    And yes, I have read Josh McDowell, I find his works misleading and argumentative.
     
  18. Orias

    Orias Left Hand Path

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    Prove it all didn't happen.
     
  19. Kathryn

    Kathryn Most Spoiled Woman Ever

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    Heck, as a Christian, I don't even care for Josh McDowell.
     
  20. wildcatwelder

    wildcatwelder New Member

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    Very good observation maam, good insight there, IMO.
     
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