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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Thief, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    have you tried?
     
  2. Nimos

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    No, I find it stupid :D

    Its sort of like love thy enemy, absolutely nonsense.
     
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  3. sun rise

    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    Turning the other cheek works sometimes, and is a good moral philosophy, but not in every instance - like if someone was hitting someone else repeatedly.
     
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    There are instances where it's not good to just forgive and forgive and forgive with no improvement or progress from the other side until you can't take it any more, and there are also instances where "an eye for an eye makes the world go blind".
     
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    It has limitations. There are just two cheeks.
     
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  7. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    yeah...

    in my old neighborhood opportunity is all around you

    picture this.....no doubt you can
    someone you have never met walks directly up to you
    and slams a fist in your eye......just to say....
    hi there
    but no words are actually spoken

    as your eye begins to swell shut
    you stand ground
    and use the uninjured eye
    to look him in the face

    if he makes no further move
    you walk away

    if he flinches …..you kick his ***

    this happened on many occasion
    and there are variables

    caution is advised
    such as.....do not turn your back altogether
    as you step away
     
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    sun rise Śvāna Dharma
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    What a wonderful neighborhood.
     
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    If this was meant literally Jusus would also turn the other cheek when a man hit him (on the trial). But he didn't. He defended himself.

    Jesus answered him, “If what I said is wrong, bear witness about the wrong; but if what I said is right, why do you strike me?” (John 18:23)​
     
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  10. February-Saturday

    February-Saturday Devil Worshiper

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    Yes. Ironically, it takes most of the sting out of the attacks.

    Physical pain is bearable, but the mental anguish you cause yourself from being angry at your attackers is a chronic suffering that doesn't heal on its own. I'll take the lashes over that any day.

    That's not me advocating passivity or being a doormat. It takes real courage to choose peace in the face of hostility, and it's often a defiant act. I think humans have generally evolved in a way that it's harder to die for a cause than to kill for one, but I know which one I would prefer.
     
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  11. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    more than that....
    but care is taken which volume you are using

    at the very onset of His ministry there was a confrontation
    the crowd turned on Him
    and took Him from the temple to a high ledge to throw over

    He turned on the crowd.....and walked back through them
    and.....'no man was able to lay hand on Him'

    I happen to be a black belt
    I do understand

    walking back through a self righteous mob is more than easy

    He prevailed
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and of course the cleaning of the Temple at the end of His ministry

    picture this....I'm sure that you can

    you follow the Guy for three years and you see Him do things beyond explanation
    and you follow Him all the way to the temple threshold

    there He takes a chord and begins to tie knots into it
    and with every knot His Face becomes more grime
    and you know such a thing is good for only one kind of use

    He stands to the threshold and makes the pronouncement....
    GET OUT
    He likely had to say it more than once.....loudly

    and as the silence over takes the crowd.....I can hear it

    someone laughed

    that guy first and I bet it hurt
    so too anyone close enough to swing at

    and I have no doubt.....many strong handed Jews tried to stop Him

    when it was over He stood alone

    approaching the threshold you might peek inside
    and you can see Him.....and that look on His Face

    do you dare to go in?
     
  13. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    Depends upon the circumstances.

    I tend to align it with "Pick Your Battles Wisely"
     
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    I know some technique of which the pain is not bearable
    and you would need a surgeon to put it back

    you post as if to take the fault unto yourself......taking the lashing

    would be better to study a martial art
    that hurts too
    but maybe the next opportunity will be different
    to refrain from knee jerk return of a bruised cheek

    oh...btw....that act of defiance you mentioned
    OFFERING the other cheek is an insult and a dare

    you need to be sure of yourself
     
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    Really? What dan?
     
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    just first

    thing is.....it took seven years to get that far
    and for the following 8yrs people called me …...sensei

    it takes a while to fit in to the scheme of what was taught
    it was not a point style.....tag....I got you

    it was self defense
    wait for it
    respond to what is happening
    try to remain calm
    and to some degree....ignore the pain of that first incoming strike

    sparring sessions look like MMA
    but no

    the techniques applied could result in serious injury
    and tapping out was never a contest of how much pain can you take

    it was understood
    if it goes to far
    the student won't come back
    because he won't be able to
     
  17. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It all reminds me of that book The Cross and the Switchblade back in the stone age before they invented 9 mm and AK-47s for street gangs.
     
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    February-Saturday Devil Worshiper

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    3 years ago, I was taken and they poured acid on me, plucking me with blades. For hours, I could do nothing but scream as I burned. And then they would come back and do it again. Eventually, I was found by EMTs, and I did have to take me to surgery. I'm still healing from the ordeal to this day, and I might be permanently disfigured, but it's barely noticeable and mostly in places my clothes cover. Those wounds still sometimes bleed, and they ache.

    When you're being tortured, the pain isn't what's unbearable. I felt the pain shooting through my body, so much so that I couldn't think or focus on anything other than the pain. As they knicked me and insulted me, I barely noticed. The hard part is being left alone with your anger for them, or your sense of powerlessness where you're still trying to control a situation that gives you a significant advantage. It's not the pain, it's when you're left alone. The pain, no matter how bad it is, is bearable. It's your mind that turns it into torture.

    Do you believe that Martin Luther King, Jr. offered the other cheek in his protests as an insult and a dare?
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Yep, as there's a lot of things I don't respond to or don't respond to negatively. But there's also been many times I've "caved", thus I'm a looooooooooooong way from perfection.
     
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    that is quite the leap.....
    from a seriously bad event upon you
    to a seriously bad event unto many

    perhaps another op of your own to cover the expanse?
     
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