Spiderman
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A bit lionising but okay
Fair enough
Yes, scientific based information and less judgement from judgey mcjudgepants folks who should be minding their own business would likely relieve such anxiety and stress from women. I agree
What message do they send, exactly? I’m not American so I don’t know how they advertise themselves.
And plenty of founders of things were awful people. Surprise. People (particularly in the past) had opinions that look awful in hindsight. So what?
Criticise their positions, that’s fair enough. But I’m not going to get rid of my car if I found out that it’s invented by a guy who, I dunno, hated Jews or something. You know?
qualified mental health professionals?
I dunno
I keep hearing this and every time I mention it to my (religious minded) American relatives they scoff at it’s supposed “unconstitutional Unamerican crap.” (Their words, not mine.)
I get the distinct impression that that was due to the Cold War propaganda at the time. Merely an attempt by the government to convince the citizens that they were good, moral upstanding people, unlike those “irreligious socialists/commies.”
Old people say the same of my country but once I actually look into the implications of their arguments, really it just boils down to “we were allowed to bash gays and black folk knew their place. Now we’ve lost our moral compass. Wahhhh” Yeah, real moral guys
I’m not accusing you of such thinking. I don’t think you have such prejudice
Just that that is usually the conclusion of such “morality of the old times” arguments once you get into the nitty gritty of them
Pretty sure the prohibition gangsters make ours look like Sesame Street performers
But whatever
Abortion is as old as civilisation itself. Lmao. People would go to “spooky” ladies in society for a “special potion” all the damned time
Like seriously were you not aware of this?
They also (potentially) think gay people and trans individuals existing and given freedom is a sin. Forgive me for not taking their half hearted excuses at face value
And I say that as a spiritual person myself
So can a theist. (Imo)
What’s your point?
That says more about your morality than anything about theism. That’s going to have to be a big yikes from me, my friend!
If you need a Big Brother style God in order to be moral, that’s says far more about you than anyone else, imo. Nothing whatsoever about secularism vs theism. Though what’s that old joke?
“It’s not that atheists are immoral it’s that theists need more supervision.”
Okay, maybe you are right and the people who think it was better fifty plus years ago are all racist and antihomosexual and that is their motive for saying that. If that is the case, i'm not for it. I've had teachers tell us that people used to pray in public schools in America though.
Also, to clarify, I know lots of atheists have a moral compass. Let me give you an exact quote of what I said: "typically a completely secular person isn't going to have a whole lot of strong motive to be a good person or have a moral compass."
Emphasis on the words "Typically...more". There are plenty exceptions to the rule. And strong motive I spoke of in the context of compared to a person who believes they will be rewarded or consequenced for eternity.
Now, theists are often just as bad as atheists. I prefer the average atheist over bigoted Christians and Muslims, but I'm saying they have much stronger motive for doing what they believe is right.
An atheist just rots in a hole and nothing matters a hundred years from now , so they really don't have huge motive for living a virtuous life, because a hundred years from now it won't matter , and no unseen entity is pleased with their deeds or offended by them.