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Turkey shoots down Russian Jet

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Augustus, Nov 24, 2015.

  1. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    you said "they are in Turkish airspace" ,so , how the terrorists "rebels" reach them ?

    this is claim of Turkey , i don't trust on them , since they supported Daesh for long time before .

    this is world war against Daesh , it's not necessary Turkey hit plane fighting Daesh !!!

    if they had FULL degnity , they suppose not let USA planes fly too

    Algeria let France airforce to cross Algeria desert to strike terrorists in Mali 2 years ago , because we are not in confuse about our enemy .
     
  2. Nietzsche

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    An Su24/Fencer can hit a top speed of mach 1/1.5 officially. The official top speed is "without destroying the aircraft". The unofficial top speed is probably closer to Mach 2.5 with the engines screaming, and the pilots no longer caring whether the plane can be flown again.

    Even at the official top speed, assuming the pilots didn't try to leave Turkish airspace at the highest possible speed(which is patently retarded), they could've been spotted, engaged and shot down in minutes, and still made it into Syria from a previous distance well into Turkey. The speeds involved are hard to really imagine, but it's simple to do.
     
  3. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    let's the invetigation find out the truth

    but for my opinion , Turkey and world should (suppose) thank Russia , not stab them in back .
     
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    I'm just telling you how it's possible. Modern military aircraft are the fastest things that don't actually leave the planet.
     
  5. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Every time I see that title, I think....
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  6. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    I know , but the possibility for me , since it's captured by Daesh , so it's inside Syria, the range between it's hit and drop it's could be 1 to 2 kilomiter , that's range of border between countries !!!
     
  7. columbus

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    They didn't.
    They were in Turkish airspace and a Turkish jet hit them.
    You may not like the Turks, but they will defend their territory. This is not hard to understand.
    If I understand correctly (and I'm not sure I do, the whole thing is too new), the Russian jet was downed by an "air to air" missile. That means that it was not hit by a rebel or ISIS, it was hit by another fighter jet. That means Turkey.
    Tom
     
  8. FearGod

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    It seems to me that the Russian plane was approaching to a target inside Syria which happened to be very sensitive
    to Turkey at that period and the only option was to destroy the plane before reaching that position, maybe they were
    transferring weapons to the Syrian free army or to the ISIS, ambiguous affairs is going on.
     
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    A jet going 300kph under power could go 50k before it hits the ground.
    That's why I think that the location of the pilots is more important information. If they were less than 20k inside of Syria I would see that as proof that they were in Turkey doing something illegal.
    Tom
     
  10. Godobeyer

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    that's what investigation will tell

    I am upset about Turkey how they don't respect the border of others and they want from others (Iraq and Syria) to respect thier border !!!

    Turkey is had big responsibility in creating Daesh , which destructed Syria and hit the world , recent Paris

    If they had degnity is not full ,since they let USA (your) planes fly over Turkey , after they reject that , remember ? lol !!!

    The world is now in war with Daesh , why Turkey did cooperative with ?
     
  11. Gharib

    Gharib I want Khilafah back

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    The Ottoman empire did capture Rome. Rome or the Byzantine empire was completely destroyed.
     
  12. Flankerl

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    And you are still living in the dirt while the dirty Kuffar build Spacestations and Spacecraft.

    Probably should've read what was in the Byzantine books after you took the city.
     
  13. ShivaFan

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    What the hell is that Obama Akbar doing? He just shot down a Russian plane via the proxy Turkey in the name of the Allah Akbar "rebels" to draw "NATO" (and pro-Muslim Brotherhood government of Turkey) into an anti-Eastern Orthodox and pro-Ottoman Empire offensive on Russia and Greece. Then he came out afterwards threatening more to come for Russia (it "happens" viz it is going to happen again threat).

    My God, is this guy on the coke again, and has been having mini-strokes while sleeping?
     
  14. Shad

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    Turkey used a double-standard. They were waiting for it to happen so it could toss around it's pitiful military might while hiding behind NATO.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/26/russia-turkey-jet-mark-galeotti

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    In 2012, the Syrians shot down a Turkish jet which had entered its airspace, and Erdogan’s furious response at the time was that “a short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack”.
    (At the time, Nato secretary general Anders Fogh Rasmussen called it “another example of the Syrian authorities’ disregard for international norms”. There hasn’t been a similar critique of Ankara.)

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/25/syria-shooting-second-turkish-plane-claim

    "Ankara acknowledged that the jet had flown over Syria for a short time, but said such temporary overflights were common and had not led to an attack before."

    I guess Turkey can fly where it wants but no one is allowed to do the same....
     
  15. Augustus

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    People created tall buildings in medieval times - big houses for status. It's about competing for worldly status rather than remaining pious and fits in with the theme of numerous other hadiths. It is warning the conquerers not to get rich and arrogant.

    You just try to make them remarkable. You should read them as if they are referring to the near future and are based on contemporary events; then they seem pretty unremarkable.

    You talk about the conquest of Constantinople. This took 800 years and was achieved by somebody who was not even part of the Caliphate. In addition, this was a person who, contrary to Islamic Law, proclaimed himself Caliph despite the Abbasid Caliphate still being in existence.

    Eventually, his descendants would even go to war against other Muslims and take the Caliphate by force, which at least made them legitimate Caliphs (well if you reinterpret the rule about the Caliph needing to be Quraysh).

    So there was a prophecy about a magnificent leader taking Constantinople, which was clearly expected to happen soon. When it eventually happened 800 years later, it was by a Turk and, according to your source, "the Turkish people are the defenders of the Antichrist." Not only this but Mehmet II was arguably an apostate for claiming he was the Caliph, despite it clearly being against Islamic Law for him to do so. At the very least he was a blasphemer for doing this.

    And you consider this a remarkable prophecy?
     
  16. FearGod

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    They're remarkable to me but not to you and i understand it very well as it speaks about the signs of the end times.

    Yes, he was a Muslim, he was a great worrier and his army was the best of all armies and he destroyed the armies of
    the Byzantine empire, that was indeed a great achievements by the Muslims.

    The hadith doesn't speak about the caliphate but you don't study well, the hadith says

    “Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!”

    Enjoy watching a short part of a movie when Muslim won against the Byzantines.


    The hadith doesn't speak about the caliphate but about a great Muslim leader, you're the one mixing things up

    Where did the hadith mention the caliphate, Mehmet II was a great Muslim leader, the hadith doesn't mention other
    than this, i don't understand why you're mixing things up.

    “Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will he be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!”
     
  17. Reverend Rick

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    The Russian jet may have crossed a small corner of Turkey air space. Turkey needs to be kicked out of NATO. The poor Russian pilot was shot while parachuting to the ground by Syrian rebels. Someone said Russia was a Christian country. I thought they where an Atheist country.
     
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    You mean a dirty society such as drugs and prostitution ...etc, then you're wrong as these doesn't exist
    in the a Muslim community but in Tel Aviv.

     
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    Yes, i think Turkey did a stupid job and then relied on the Nato, Russia actually can makes Turkey a memory
    and the Nato will watch and regret, nothing can be done if Russia gone crazy with Turkey.
     
  20. Augustus

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    I know it doesn't, I'm just questioning the legal status of trying to usurp the Caliph. It is a crime is it not?

    So you are saying that rebellion against the lawful Caliph does not mandate the death penalty in Islam? It is not apostasy? Is that your opinion?

    So can an apostate can be a "wonderful leader"? Or is rejecting the lawful Caliph and crowning yourself not a crime under Islamic Law?
     
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