Turkey shoots down Russian Jet

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Good to hear.

Yes, also hadiths is not always truthful. It can be lies made up by people.


Capturing Rome could be fabircated hadith.

Logical thinking rejects Rome Hadith because today the Kuffar are stronger than any muslim country. And most muslim countries lack behind in technological weapons.


But the hadith about conquering constantinople was true. Turks fullfilled the prophecy.

 

[Augustus]

and most muslim countries lack behind in technological weapons.

The hadiths talk about warriors on horseback, armed with swords and travelling on sail boats with oarsmen, so they could indeed be true

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The hadiths talk about warriors on horseback, armed with swords and travelling on sail boats with oarsmen, so they could indeed be true

And that is the reason i said the Rome hadith is 100% fabricated by people fantasizing about Rome!

Hench its not words of prophet PBUH.


Prophet PBUH told us about conquering Persia, Shaam(Syria, Lebanon , Jordan and Palestine) and Constantinople(captured by Ottomans).

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Also Turkey in majority is a Muslim country whereas Russia is a Christian country.
Hope Russia will take a lesson as not to watch the Turkish borders.

This is assuming, of course, that the Russian plane was actually in Turkish airspace.

 

[FearGod]

The hadiths talk about warriors on horseback, armed with swords and travelling on sail boats with oarsmen, so they could indeed be true

قَال رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : " لا تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يُقْبَضَ الْعِلْمُ , وَيَظْهَرَ الْجَهْلُ , وَتَظْهَرَ الْفِتَنُ , وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ , وَيَكْثُرَ الْهَرْجُ " . قِيلَ : يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْهَرْجُ ؟ قَالَ : " الْقَتْلُ الْقَتْلُ "

للبخاري عن أبي هريرة-رضي الله عنه- أن رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال: « لا تقوم الساعة حتى تقتتل
فئتان عظيمتان يكون بينهما مقتلة عظيمة دعوتهما واحدة وحتى يبعث دجالون كذابون، قريب من ثلاثين كلهم يزعم أنه رسول الله، وحتى يقبض العلم وتكثر الزلازل ويتقارب الزمان وتظهر الفتن، ويكثر الهرج وهو القتل، وحتى يكثر فيكم المال فيفيض، حتى يهم رب المال من يقبل صدقته، وحتى يعرضه عليه فيقول الذي يعرضه عليه لا أرب لي به وحتى يتطاول الناس في البنيان، وحتى يمر الرجل بقبر الرجل فيقول يا ليتني مكانه وحتى تطلع الشمس من مغربها، فإذا طلعت ورآها الناس آمن الناس أجمعون فذلك حين لَا يَنْفَعُ نَفْسًا إِيمَانُهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ آمَنَتْ مِنْ قَبْلُ أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِي إِيمَانِهَا خَيْرًا »1 ولتقومن الساعة، وقد نشر الرجلان ثوبهما بينهما فلا يتبايعانه ولا يطويانه ولتقومن الساعة وقد انصرف الرجل بلبن لقحته فلا يطعمه
ولتقومن الساعة وهو يليط حوضه فلا يسقي منه، ولتقومن الساعة وقد رفع أكلته إلى فيه فلا يطعمها

The hadith says that 2 great superpowers will fight each others and science will be ceased.

The subject in English, http://simplesiteislam.blogspot.com/2011/11/fitnah-dajjal-adalah-fitnah-terbesar.html

 

[Debater Slayer]

قَال رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : " لا تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يُقْبَضَ الْعِلْمُ , وَيَظْهَرَ الْجَهْلُ , وَتَظْهَرَ الْفِتَنُ , وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ , وَيَكْثُرَ الْهَرْجُ " . قِيلَ : يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْهَرْجُ ؟ قَالَ : " الْقَتْلُ الْقَتْلُ "

للبخاري عن أبي هريرة-رضي الله عنه- أن رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال: « لا تقوم الساعة حتى تقتتل
فئتان عظيمتان يكون بينهما مقتلة عظيمة دعوتهما واحدة وحتى يبعث دجالون كذابون، قريب من ثلاثين كلهم يزعم أنه رسول الله، وحتى يقبض العلم وتكثر الزلازل ويتقارب الزمان وتظهر الفتن، ويكثر الهرج وهو القتل، وحتى يكثر فيكم المال فيفيض، حتى يهم رب المال من يقبل صدقته، وحتى يعرضه عليه فيقول الذي يعرضه عليه لا أرب لي به وحتى يتطاول الناس في البنيان، وحتى يمر الرجل بقبر الرجل فيقول يا ليتني مكانه وحتى تطلع الشمس من مغربها، فإذا طلعت ورآها الناس آمن الناس أجمعون فذلك حين لَا يَنْفَعُ نَفْسًا إِيمَانُهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ آمَنَتْ مِنْ قَبْلُ أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِي إِيمَانِهَا خَيْرًا »1 ولتقومن الساعة، وقد نشر الرجلان ثوبهما بينهما فلا يتبايعانه ولا يطويانه ولتقومن الساعة وقد انصرف الرجل بلبن لقحته فلا يطعمه
ولتقومن الساعة وهو يليط حوضه فلا يسقي منه، ولتقومن الساعة وقد رفع أكلته إلى فيه فلا يطعمها

The hadith says that 2 great superpowers will fight each others and science will be ceased.

You do realize that it is more than a little disrespectful to address members who don't know Arabic with a wall of Arabic text without providing much translation to English, right?

 

[FearGod]

You do realize that it is more than a little disrespectful to address members who don't know Arabic with a wall of Arabic text without providing much translation to English, right?

I thought he knows Arabic since he knows a lot of Islamic history and studies, anyway i will edit it and add the English
translation, thank you

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I saw the video of the dead russian terrorist.
Wel less terrorist on the planet, thats for sure!

 

[Augustus]

قَال رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : " لا تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى يُقْبَضَ الْعِلْمُ , وَيَظْهَرَ الْجَهْلُ , وَتَظْهَرَ الْفِتَنُ , وَيَفِيضَ الْمَالُ , وَيَكْثُرَ الْهَرْجُ " . قِيلَ : يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ وَمَا الْهَرْجُ ؟ قَالَ : " الْقَتْلُ الْقَتْلُ "

للبخاري عن أبي هريرة-رضي الله عنه- أن رسول الله -صلى الله عليه وسلم- قال: « لا تقوم الساعة حتى تقتتل
فئتان عظيمتان يكون بينهما مقتلة عظيمة دعوتهما واحدة وحتى يبعث دجالون كذابون، قريب من ثلاثين كلهم يزعم أنه رسول الله، وحتى يقبض العلم وتكثر الزلازل ويتقارب الزمان وتظهر الفتن، ويكثر الهرج وهو القتل، وحتى يكثر فيكم المال فيفيض، حتى يهم رب المال من يقبل صدقته، وحتى يعرضه عليه فيقول الذي يعرضه عليه لا أرب لي به وحتى يتطاول الناس في البنيان، وحتى يمر الرجل بقبر الرجل فيقول يا ليتني مكانه وحتى تطلع الشمس من مغربها، فإذا طلعت ورآها الناس آمن الناس أجمعون فذلك حين لَا يَنْفَعُ نَفْسًا إِيمَانُهَا لَمْ تَكُنْ آمَنَتْ مِنْ قَبْلُ أَوْ كَسَبَتْ فِي إِيمَانِهَا خَيْرًا »1 ولتقومن الساعة، وقد نشر الرجلان ثوبهما بينهما فلا يتبايعانه ولا يطويانه ولتقومن الساعة وقد انصرف الرجل بلبن لقحته فلا يطعمه
ولتقومن الساعة وهو يليط حوضه فلا يسقي منه، ولتقومن الساعة وقد رفع أكلته إلى فيه فلا يطعمها

The hadith says that 2 great superpowers will fight each others and science will be ceased.

The subject in English, http://simplesiteislam.blogspot.com/2011/11/fitnah-dajjal-adalah-fitnah-terbesar.html

Waah, from your source: "the Turkish people are the defenders of the Antichrist." (An-Nihayah 1/117)

Maybe it's the Russians who are your friends then

As regards swords and ships, was really meaning things like this (there are plenty of other examples):

Ka'b said: " In the conquest of Rome, an army will leave the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, and Tunis) with an easterly wind. None of their rowing oars break and none of their ropes get cut-off, til they reach Rome. They will conquer it. It (Rome) has a tree which is mentioned in the Book of Allah ... whoever hangs his weapon or ties his horse to it is considered by Allah one of the best martyrs. Ka'b also said: "Amoria will be conquered before Nicaea (a city in Turkey where today's Christian creed was formulated in 325 AD), Nicaea before Constantinople, and Constantinople before Rome." (Nuaim bin Hammad's Kitab al-Fitan)

While the Muslims are busy distributing the spoils (booty) of war, after hanging their swords by the olive trees, Satan will shout: 'The Anti-Christ has taken your place among your family (or in your land).' The Muslims will then come out, but will find out that it is not true. And when they arrive to Al-Sham (Damascus or Syria), he (Anti-Christ) will come out. While they (Muslims) are preparing to fight him, and drawing up their ranks, prayer time will come and then, Jesus the son of Mary will descend and lead (or join) them in prayer. When Allah's enemy (Anti-Christ) sees him (Jesus), it will dissolve just as the salt dissolves in water. If Jesus were to leave him (Anti-Christ) alone, he (Anti-Christ) would melt to death anyway, but Allah will have him (Anti-Christ) killed by his (Jesus') hand, and he (Jesus) will show the Muslims his (Anti-Christ's) blood on his (Jesus') spear." (Sahih Muslim)

 

[FearGod]

Waah, from your source: "the Turkish people are the defenders of the Antichrist." (An-Nihayah 1/117)

Maybe it's the Russians who are your friends then

As regards swords and ships, was really meaning things like this (there are plenty of other examples):

Ka'b said: " In the conquest of Rome, an army will leave the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, and Tunis) with an easterly wind. None of their rowing oars break and none of their ropes get cut-off, til they reach Rome. They will conquer it. It (Rome) has a tree which is mentioned in the Book of Allah ... whoever hangs his weapon or ties his horse to it is considered by Allah one of the best martyrs. Ka'b also said: "Amoria will be conquered before Nicaea (a city in Turkey where today's Christian creed was formulated in 325 AD), Nicaea before Constantinople, and Constantinople before Rome." (Nuaim bin Hammad's Kitab al-Fitan)

While the Muslims are busy distributing the spoils (booty) of war, after hanging their swords by the olive trees, Satan will shout: 'The Anti-Christ has taken your place among your family (or in your land).' The Muslims will then come out, but will find out that it is not true. And when they arrive to Al-Sham (Damascus or Syria), he (Anti-Christ) will come out. While they (Muslims) are preparing to fight him, and drawing up their ranks, prayer time will come and then, Jesus the son of Mary will descend and lead (or join) them in prayer. When Allah's enemy (Anti-Christ) sees him (Jesus), it will dissolve just as the salt dissolves in water. If Jesus were to leave him (Anti-Christ) alone, he (Anti-Christ) would melt to death anyway, but Allah will have him (Anti-Christ) killed by his (Jesus') hand, and he (Jesus) will show the Muslims his (Anti-Christ's) blood on his (Jesus') spear." (Sahih Muslim)

Regardless of how the end times will be, how the prophet knew that the Maghreb (Morocco,Algeria and Tunis)
will be among the Muslim nation ? coincidence and stroke of luck.

 

[Augustus]

Regardless of how the end times will be, how the prophet knew that the Maghreb (Morocco,Algeria and Tunis)
will be among the Muslim nation ? coincidence and stroke of luck.

How do we know when each hadith was composed?

For example, don't you find it a bit suspicious that lots of hadith praising al-Sham appear when there had been a civil war between a Hijazi faction and a Damascus based faction?

There's hadith about the Turks being enemies and conquering Rome with ships and swords.

About conquering Constantinople and wars with the Byzantine Empire coinciding with the End of Days.

None about the Turks conquering Constantinople 500 years later though, in fact most seem to assume the near future rather than centuries ahead.

Lots of stories about Muhammed are actually based on what later leaders did, but make no sense if ascribed to Muhammed.

It's accepted that thousands of hadith are forged. Can't remember who off the top of my head, but a famous Islamic Jurist said "men are never so quick to lie than in matters of the hadith" (paraphrased, but accurate)

 

[MARCELLO]

This statement is half true. Turkey is anti-Assad for the crimes committed towards the Syrian people.

As for the Kurds, Turkey offered them rights that no other ethnic minority in any modern country has ever seen. Their latest election victory was a result of Kurdish votes who, for the first time, were free to vote who they wanted for without any coercion from the PKK because Turkey is cleansing it's southern provinces of the group.

Turkey has, and continues to offer them almost all that they want so long as they do not take up arms.

Turkey is divided into 3 parts .One part livelike what we do in the west. The second part want to live like they did in 19th century,islamist. And the kurds, for which I have no idea..The secular Turks do hate Kurds, just to make things nastier and messier.

 

[MARCELLO]

Russia's regime supports murderous dictators like Al-Assad, and the Turkish regime seems to want to gradually turn Turkey into yet another conservative Islamic state.

I couldn't care less about both regimes. I just feel bad for the pilots and soldiers who might be used as puppets in this mini-conflict.

The educated Turks do not say like that. The only problem is that they are so little in number,but still makes millions,they say a quarter of the population over there is secularist. And this is why there are conflicts of every kind over there.Still the elite of Turks are western type,the only problem they cannot reach to village type ignorant folks. But majority of them is something like Iran or or iraq. I have been there many times,trust my experience.

 

[MARCELLO]

Who should care about ignorant muslims who have no tongue to speak? They either bomb themselves or others or both?

 

[columbus]

I saw the video of the dead russian terrorist.
Wel less terrorist on the planet, thats for sure!

Not at all.
More violence will probably result in more Russian soldiers sent there. That's the problem with using violence against violence. You almost always get more of it.
Tom

 

[FearGod]

How do we know when each hadith was composed?

For example, don't you find it a bit suspicious that lots of hadith praising al-Sham appear when there had been a civil war between a Hijazi faction and a Damascus based faction?

There's hadith about the Turks being enemies and conquering Rome with ships and swords.

About conquering Constantinople and wars with the Byzantine Empire coinciding with the End of Days.

None about the Turks conquering Constantinople 500 years later though, in fact most seem to assume the near future rather than centuries ahead.

Lots of stories about Muhammed are actually based on what later leaders did, but make no sense if ascribed to Muhammed.

It's accepted that thousands of hadith are forged. Can't remember who off the top of my head, but a famous Islamic Jurist said "men are never so quick to lie than in matters of the hadith" (paraphrased, but accurate)

You think it's a fabricated hadith then ?

 

[Augustus]

You think it's a fabricated hadith then ?

Law of probability and all that...

Any evidence that it is not?

That the moon was split in half is mutawatir, forgive me if I am sceptical of much less reliable hadiths.

 

[Godobeyer]

I saw the video of the dead russian terrorist.
Wel less terrorist on the planet, thats for sure!

this is proof that plane drop inside Syrian border , not inside Turkey !!

how terrorists could reach the place of crush !!!

 

[FearGod]

Law of probability and all that...

Any evidence that it is not?

That the moon was split in half is mutawatir, forgive me if I am sceptical of much less reliable hadiths.

What do you think of the one hadith which says people will compete for constructing the tallest buildings ?
Do you think it's a fabricated or a struck of luck ?

 

[columbus]

this is proof that plane drop inside Syrian border , not inside Turkey !!

This is not proof of anything. If the plane were way inside of Turkish airspace streaking for the border when hit it would probably crash in Syria.
Where were the pilots? That's a better question. Once they ejected from the plane they probably didn't go near as far as a stricken fighter plane.
Tom