Dezzie
Well-Known Member
I'm pretty sure they aren't doing them in Norfolk, Virginia either. Thank God. I think I will be flying out from there next June... Hopefully nothing changes by then.
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TSA pat-down poll
- Thread starter Alceste
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I'm pretty sure they aren't doing them in Norfolk, Virginia either. Thank God. I think I will be flying out from there next June... Hopefully nothing changes by then.
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
No offense but I think some voters have no idea what they are really voting for. Sure, Security is helpful and needed but... not to this extent (trust me... where I work we are all about Security). They don't need to have full body scanners that show you comepletely nude. It's not necessary.
Oh and they certainly do not need to be ripping your clothes off in front of everybody in airports either. I don't know who voted for that... but it certainly wasn't me.
Offense? No way. I agree.
Nude scanning beats tea bagging. What next....motor boating to make sure they're real?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
:clap...
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
LOL Good point but it is still embarrassing... especially if those people looking at your nude picture are using it for their own personal business. It's a huge problem for scanning children too. How would you like it if your son or daughter's nude picture was used for child porn purposes because of a TSA perv? People hide secrets about themselves... you can't trust everybody.
This is a never ending battle. From what I am seeing about security, the terrorists will just start smuggling bombs internally. When this happens, will all passengers be subject to body cavity searches too?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The health risks of the x-rays are nil. That's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. I really do not like the idea of the naked pics, but I'm sure nobody's getting turned on by them. As far as the pat-downs go... No way!
Agreed. Totally.
And the TSA does hire sex offenders & other criminals.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
If true, then that is the real issue. Not the scans themselves.
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
I don't disapprove of the x-rays. It's the fondling, groping & medical device removal which disturbs me.
They're miniscule, but not nil... especially if you're getting them frequently.
In the interview I watched last night, the figures that were floated around were that the radiation from these backscatter x-ray scanners are estimated to kill somewhere between 1 person in 30,000,000 and 1 person in 80,000,000 per year. This is lower than the risk of being killed by lightning, but is it lower than the risk of being killed by a terrorist bomb if they weren't there? IMO, it's debateable.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
The pat downs are reserved for those who refuse the scan.
Unless you think they should just get a free pass through security?
As I pointed out on another thread, the pat-downs are often a supplement to the x-ray scan.
Don't be silly - free passes thru security are only for TSOs & high gov't officials.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Again, you will get 150 times more radiation on a flight from New York to LA than you get from the scan itself.
You get more radiation than the scan exposes you to simply through the course of a normal day.
ALL radiation is indeed potentially harmful.
Have you thrown out your TV and Microwave yet?
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes, area specific pat-downs reserved for the area where a potential item is shown on the scan. Not the full body, humiliating pat-downs reserved for those who refuse the scan.
You get more radiation exposure from a flight from New York to LA with a backscatter X-ray scan than you do from the same flight without one.
Yes, we encounter other radiation in our lives, but an increase in exposure is still an increase.
You're wrong. I was told something was in my left rear pocket....after being x-rayed.
Using that pretext, they fully explored many other areas without warning about the extent of the search.
Btw, I had no left rear pocket....so nothing was in it. They never examined that area anyway.
Time to wake up, tumbleguy. Things are not as you want to believe.
Alceste
Vagabond
I'm of the opinion this is security theatre. Just one way among many the government gets to remind you You're In Danger and they're doing everything they can to Protect You From Terrorists. There is no evidence any of these invasive screening procedures do anything to increase passenger safety. While grandma's nail clippers will be confiscated (and her privates potentially fondled), the guy behind her knows how to make a knife in the bathroom from metal epoxy, folded cardboard and a spoon handle. So why are they doing it? A) patronage of the firm that makes the scanners, and B) because they have discovered that not only can they can get away with it - the authoritarian electoral base even approves of it.
Here's the thing though, I think security theatre is a strategy that is likely to be abandoned when the people start to perceive the authorities themselves as a more discomforting security threat than the terrorists, and express that view to their elected representatives in great numbers. IMO, this is getting quite close to that line. Obviously, there will always be some authoritarians for whom NO violation of their privacy by the state is unwelcome, but for the majority I think having their children photographed naked and / or their genitals groped by adults at the airport is over the line. I think these policies will eventually be abandoned, or at least scaled back. In any case, this is one area where I approve of the one airport's decision to use a private security firm, but with caution. There's nothing to prevent private firms (think Blackwater) from implementing the same process.
Here's the thing though, I think security theatre is a strategy that is likely to be abandoned when the people start to perceive the authorities themselves as a more discomforting security threat than the terrorists, and express that view to their elected representatives in great numbers. IMO, this is getting quite close to that line. Obviously, there will always be some authoritarians for whom NO violation of their privacy by the state is unwelcome, but for the majority I think having their children photographed naked and / or their genitals groped by adults at the airport is over the line. I think these policies will eventually be abandoned, or at least scaled back. In any case, this is one area where I approve of the one airport's decision to use a private security firm, but with caution. There's nothing to prevent private firms (think Blackwater) from implementing the same process.
Alceste
Vagabond
War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength.