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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by allfoak, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. DavidFirth

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    No, it isn't. It also isn't decided by 16.5% of the population, either.
     
  2. Polymath257

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    In the humanities? Yes. Most of the humanities are another type of BS. Not all. But most.
     
  3. Polymath257

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    No, it is decided by those who have investigated the evidence to the point that the conclusions are clear.
     
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  4. DavidFirth

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    Thank you for venerating every Christian science website out there. We appreciate it.
     
  5. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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  6. ChristineM

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    Please provide citation for your claim

    Just because the majority of people have some religious belief does not mean they are stupid.
     
  7. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    The American education system only just ranks in the top 20, overall

    World Best Education Systems

    And in this which takes over 1000 universities from 87 countries rates MIT first and Harvard third.

    Top Universities in the World 2018
     
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    Considering that the creationist websites don't actually investigate any evidence, nor do the explore to find any evidence, nor do they show an understanding of what real science claims or its methods, what you wrote is just laughable.

    Your 'Christian science websites' are some of the *worst* sources of information out there.
     
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  9. Hawkins

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    That depends which category of truth you are trying to pursue.

    1. scientific truth
    which repeats itself with a pattern, and following a set of rules. You discover the set of rules by predicting correctly how it repeats.

    2. Past truth
    Whatever happened in the past.

    3. Present truth
    Whatever happened now or recently.

    4. Future truth
    Whatever will happen in the future.

    Different kinds of truth can be approached differently.
     
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    “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

    Albert Einstein

    NOT your average scientist!
     
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    I find Adam's previous state is ' dust ' according to Genesis 3:19
    When Adam died his life's spirit went out just as a burnt-out light bulb goes out.
    It does Not literally go anywhere, but ceases to exist.

    After God breathed the breath of life into lifeless Adam, then Adam became a living soul at Genesis 2:7.
    Adam went from non-life, to life, and ' returned ' back to non-life or non-existence.
    A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before. Adam was never an angel or spirit person.

    As a foreclosed house ' goes back ' to the owner, the house does Not move or go anywhere.
    It is ownership of the house that is taken back. So, any future life prospect lies with God.
    Jesus has the keys to unlock death and the grave ( biblical hell ) at Revelation 1:18.
     
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    5. Jesus approached the category of ' Religious Truth ' by basing his teachings on the old Hebrew Scriptures.
    To me that is why Jesus said that God's Word (Scripture) is truth (religious truth) according to John 17:17, 3.
     
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    You believe that someone added "the word" there. How do you know it didn't originally say, "Sanctify them by the truth; your truth IS"?

    I think that we agree that God is True and to be obeyed. Now, people teach that Scripture is true too and to be obeyed. For your information, that makes TWO. Two to be obeyed. You have two gods. That is a fact.
     
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    agreed adam is associated with the earth because again it's a personality, a soul, a third density form. it associates only it's current memories to reality. in reality it has a subconscious that eventually bubbles up into it's limited reality.

    there are two adams. adam as in mankind and adam as a proper name.

    adam, mankind, was created from the earth and is an earthling. he is associated with clay; which was used throughout the world to make pottery. most pottery was used for carrying and/or storing something.

    adam ceases, the Spirit, breath of life, consciousness doesn't.

    John 3:8
    The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

    the Spirit is mutable, or the consciousness is mutable. the form, person, is finite, or an illusory thing in time and space. the Spirit, consciousness, doesn't operate within those confines.

    Hebrews 9:27
    Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,


    the Spirit gives life, or quickeneth, and the form counts for nothing because it is temporal.
     
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  15. corynski

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    ".....in no way are we separate from him."...... Him? You mean 'It' don't you? Why do you say 'Him'? Do you know god's Being?. What is the essence, the reality, of God, certainly not cells and tissue or protons and electrons, such as humans have? You don't really mean God is a man, or masculine, do you? How could that be? In science such reasoning is called 'anthropomorphism', that is, ascribing characteristics of a human to a deity. George H. Smith, in his book 'Atheism' suggests that, 'just as we are entitled to say that a "square circle" does not and cannot possibly exist, so we are entitled to say that the concept of god, if it entails a contradiction, does not and cannot possible exist.'
    But in fact the majority religion of any area simply inherits and 'assumes' the reality of their gods and their beliefs, rather than to hold them tentatively and examine them. Thus each member of a religion must create his or her own ideas regarding beliefs, as there is no reality there to examine or agree upon.
     
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    One reason Christians say "Him" (masculine gender) for the God of the Bible is because Jesus addressed his God as Father (father as in meaning: Life Giver) thus since God gives life, then God is in masculine gender as He or Him.
     
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    KJV uses the word ' thy ' at John 17:17. "thy" truth as in meaning God's truth, "thy" word (Scripture) is truth.
    Divine truth as found between Genesis through Revelation rather than what is just speaking of truth in general.
    "thy" as in meaning that the God of the Bible is the source of religious truth - John 4:23-24; John 17:3.

    I find the Bible talks of more than two Gods. Some people's belly is their God at Philippians 3:19.
    The judges were ' gods ' because they were to use God's judgement to make judgements - Psalms 82:6.
    1 Corinthians 8:5-6 says there are many Gods. For Christians there is but ' one ' God ' the Father '.......
    and 'one ' Lord Jesus Christ .........
     
  18. savagewind

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    God's Word is whatever God speaks. The Bible is men's interpretation of what they believe God spoke. I hear you saying that the Bible as we know it is what God spoke so that calling it true and to be obeyed is the same as calling God true and to be obeyed. Is that right?
     
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    As Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth according to John 17:17 then to me that would be same as calling the God of the Bible as true and to obey or serve Him, even under adverse conditions as Job and Jesus suffered.

    Since the Bible has corresponding cross-reference verses and passages by subject or topic arrangement, then men can see the internal harmony between the many Bible writers, thus seeing what the Bible really teaches.
    That way what is discovered as wrong is Not that the Bible is wrong, just men's ideas were wrong.
    Proverbs 4:18 proves true that spiritual light grows brighter and lighter with the passing of time.
    That is also in harmony with Daniel 12:9; Daniel 12:4 that scriptural understanding improves with the passing of time.
    The time of ignorance is now passed according to Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31.
     
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    I suppose you suppose that "giving you my word" means words and not a promise. Is this correct?

    John 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth

    Word is singular. Is it not?
     
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