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Featured Truth: either God exists or He don't.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by capumetu, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. Pilgrim Soldier

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    Because radiometric dating will give you different estimates of the age of the same subject, if it was preserved in different environments. You can take different fossils from the same animal, which was spread over a larger area where you have different geological compositions, and find different readings depending on how much exposure they had to the elements and minerals.
    If one part of the animal was deposited in a mineral rich section of sediment, while other parts settled in sand you would find entirely different radiometric estimates
     
  2. Polymath257

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    And you say this while using a computer that is the result of the discoveries of that science. You drive a car based on our understanding of materials and of chemistry. We have aircraft that are based on our understanding of fluid flow. We have GPS based on our understanding of time and gravity. We have communication technology based on our understanding of electromagnetism. We have vaccines based on our understanding of biology (and evolution). We have more productive crops based on our understanding of evolution.

    I could go on and on, but these are NOT fantasies. And you *do* put your trust in them as a daily thing, whether you realize it or not.
     
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    Example? Give a reference.
     
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    Citation needed. Your claim appears to be purely nonsensical.

    By the way, fossils are practically never dated using radiometric dating. Do you know why?
     
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    science is based on the most pathetic method of discovery imaginable. It uses the old process of elimination, whereby they put someone in a lab and give them the incredibly boring and frustrating task of experimenting with thousands of different chemical compound combinations to achieve a single formula.

    Scientists have never approached a problem with some idea of what to look for, the whole thing is based on blind trial and error. Scientists haven't even discovered the basics yet, they been experimenting for 6000 years and they still don't know anything useful such as how to cure the common clod or what makes some organism live.

    My nephew is only 5 years old and he can leave the worlds best scientists speechless and dumbfounded in 30 seconds. They can't even answer the most elementary questions of a 5 year old and you want me to put my faith in them? Your standards may be a lot lower I don't know but I need hard evidence before I put my trust in anyone.
     
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    Scientists are not used to explaining concepts to the completely ignorant. Like five year olds, or creationists. There really is not much in the way of difference. Except, and this is a big one, five year olds are not cowards when it comes to learning.
     
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    I know God exists, I’ve proved that Jesus Christ died for my sins, rose from the dead. He offered me the gift of Eternal Life and I accepted. When I accepted He gave me His Holy Spirit as a guarantee of His promise. I was changed at that moment from death to life. When this happened everything became clear for me.
     
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    Scientists are in a process of degeneration and devolution, and incase you don't know the English word "devolution" it means to degenerate or get dumber and decay.
    We know that the ancient scientists were vastly superior to what we have today. They had much better flying machines and all of their technology was infinitely superior to today's. They gene manipulation technology down to a fine art, they were able to breed dinosaurs and giant human like creatures which stood 36 feet tall and they were built like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
    They built structures like the pyramids and many other structures which had single stones weighing 1,200 Tons each, which were transported thousands of miles from their mine suite. They were perfectly cut and assembled with perfect precision.
    I don't want to get into this because I don't want to waste precious time explaining something which you have been taught not to believe. .
     
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    ratiocinator Lightly seared on the reality grill.

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    So why is it you can't provide even the first hint of a morsel of the merest suggestion of a scintilla of evidence for your silly YEC beliefs? All you've provided is empty assertions.
     
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    Yes I know they don't contain conductive elements, like rocks and mineral based subjects do. The thing is, all of the scientific dating theories and methods have gaping big holes in them
     
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    You made some very specific claims about radiometric dating providing inconsistent results from "the same animal" depending on "how much exposure they had to the elements and minerals". Have you got a proper reference for this claim or not?

    Where is the actual evidence that dating methods have "big holes in them"?
     
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    Nobody can provide anything satisfactory to anyone because everyone adds their own conditions and standards of acceptance. So we don't have a mutually accepted standard of testing to arrive at a conclusion or consensus.

    Pseudo scientists say, lets play a game we invent and then allow us to set all the standards and then allow us to be the sole arbitrators of whats true and false.
     
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    Wow. Just. Wow. Do you have any actual evidence for any of these claims?

    And we know how such cutting and transport were done because it was documented on the pyramids themselves.
     
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    I can't be bothered to find every single relevant article of the thousands posted. Don't tell me you've never looked outside of the box. I don't have the time to re educate you from scratch, you can ask Doctor google to show you the thousands of papers debunking the radiometric method
     
  15. ratiocinator

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    But you haven't even tried. All you've done here is make empty, completely unsupported assertions, then claimed that you needed "hard evidence" and claimed nobody else had any. Evidence is observations or experimental result that are consistent with one hypothesis and not others. Have you got any or not?
     
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    If you want to teach someone something, you first need to establish the thing ain't based on stupidity or fantasy
     
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    How about just one? You made a very specific claim, are you able to back it up or not?
     
  18. Pilgrim Soldier

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    I have tons but science doesn't have a single piece of solid evidence that their method works. As I said, it keeps changing everyday. So yesterdays facts are today's lies and new facts are embraced. I can't lend my mind to such a self defeating system of self destruction
     
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    You bring up too many issues to answer in one post. Personally, I only try to answer one issue at a time. Some times a few.

    Christianity is based on the historical, the prophecies and supernatural claims of the Bible. Especially the Christian New Testament. The claim of the bodily resurrection of Christ. God reveals Himself to the Christian by way of the new birth. Once that is done for that professing Christian there is no denying the faith. Jude 1:3.

    Now there is one unique historical date (which remarkably most of Christianity has wrong) based on Mark 14:12.
    By the way, interpreting Mark 14:12 correctly is not an essentual to the Christian faith. But belief in the bodily resurrection and in the future second appearing are essentuals of the faith.
     
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    Yes I'll show you irrefutable examples, but I will need to dig them out since this censorship of truth was imposed on humanity by google, you tube, Facebook and others.
    I may need to go into the dark web to retrieve them, then I will need to remove all the encryption before I can share them with you here.
    See the truth has been under attack for some time now, the enemies of truth are hell bent on destroying it and hiding it. They can't keep a person in bondage and enslaved if the person discovers the truth, so the truth is their worst enemy.
     
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