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Trump's strong support / Democrats' lack of support, by white women

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Snow White, Sep 8, 2021.

  1. Subduction Zone

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    Sie of units is a factor too that is at times unreasonably limited. There are some very efficient living spaces that are quite small by even the studio apartment standard that could half housing cost but yet they cannot be made in some cities that need affordable housing the most.
     
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  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    In my town occupancy limits are based upon size, zoning,
    family relationship, room shape, room size, variance board
    granted exceptions, fraternal organization status, & perhaps
    other things I've yet to run across.
     
  3. Thirza Fallen

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    I don't remember hearing about any scandals, unlike Clinton.
     
  4. Kooky

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    Sure, if you want to disproportionally profit off peope's inelastic needs and offload all costs as externalities to the government, a free market & UBI is the way to go. Maybe make it a hattrick and abolish taxes for landlords, as well.

    Alternatively, you could instead lower housing prices by requiring all new units to have a portion allotted to the poor and destitute, and ban people from renting out regular apartments as AirBnBs (and/or slap them with extra taxes on top of it).
     
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    Brilliant suggestions like this say so much about you.
     
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    Yes, this is a reasonably accurate assessment of what went wrong with the Democrats. My observation was that, by the 1980s, they lost much of the fire and passion for justice that they once had. Carter's administration was characterized by ineffectiveness and malaise, and Mondale and Dukakis were no better as candidates. Reagan was called the "Teflon President" because no one had the backbone to stand up to him.

    Reagan was also backed by the so-called "Moral Majority," which led to a resurgence in evangelism and a religious-inspired backlash against what they perceived as "permissiveness" and "immorality" of the 60s and 70s. Some conservative economists and Reagan Democrats seemed to oppose the religious right, but by supporting Reagan, they had jumped into bed with them.
     
  7. Kooky

    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    I think Reagan stood atop a serious sea change in US political discourse and political sentiments. On his watch, conservative propaganda pioneered many of the canards and conspiracy theories that are still in currency these days, such as "welfare queens" and general anti-welfare sentiment, anti-unionism, the idea that taxation is inherently bad, resurgence of racism in the guise of moral panics against "inner city crime", and the general focus on the fears and needs of White middle class suburban units as the average American voters.

    I think the spread of suburban housing influenced a lot of it, as did the decline of manufacturing, and the associated prominence of labor unions. We also shouldn't discount the influence the counter culture had on elite self perception - a lot of the Reagan and Clinton era rhetoric can also be seen as a conservative backlash against the social change brought by the civil rights and antiwar movements of the 1960s.
     
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    I agree that neither policy would bring down capitalism, although the capitalists and imperialists of the United States seem reckless enough that they'll probably bring themselves down. They've been advocating for a predatory economic system based in social Darwinism. I think this has led to an ideological impasse in America where people want to have their cake and eat it, too. I've noticed this as a common element to most of the political rifts and dissension we've been seeing lately.

    It's also true that many jobs continue to be outsourced to countries with much lower wages, a process which I would liken to colonialism and imperialism. Even liberals ostensibly support policies which have led to Americans benefiting from sweatshop labor overseas. It reminds me of a line from Apocalypse Now: "It was the way we had over here of living with ourselves. We'd cut them in half with a machine gun and give them a Band-Aid."
     
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    I agree with most of this, although I would add that Reagan was also a Cold Warrior who thought he was dealing with an "Evil Empire." They all had a certain McCarthyesque aspect to their overall mindset and worldview, even if they knew enough to refrain from the wild accusations and reckless character assassination associated with McCarthy.

    And yes, there was definitely a backlash against the social change brought about by the civil rights and anti-war movements. I think there was also a fair bit of "activist fatigue," you might say. By the mid to late 70s, most of the hippies had either grown up, burned out, or just weren't into the whole protest thing anymore. There was a certain level of cynicism and nihilism which pervaded the culture, as well as a certain defeatist attitude of "there's nothing we can do." The ensuing political apathy, coupled with a resurgence in consumerism, made it all the more easy for the Reaganites to control the direction.
     
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    It was 45/47 in the 2020 election. Which seems to be about even.

    Perhaps I shall have to read the thread since there is no way the question hasn't been asked. But what are the "needs of white women" that aren't being addressed that was addressed by Trump? On women's issues its 0/10 for Trump at the very least. Is the Karen population growing?
     
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    Ah great promises like *checks list* Keeping Guantamo Bay open, limit legal immigration, refusing to say "happy holidays" in a multicultural nation, defund planned parenthood and pull the US from the Parris Climate Accord.

    Yup. Sounds about right.
     
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  12. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    It is for people who don't share your views.
     
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    Well obviously. However some of these feel a little hard to defend even if its just a difference of opinion.
     
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    Did you at one point claim to be in favor of legal immigration and against torture, or am I seriously mistaken?
     
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    It could be that white women recognize and appreciate strong men.
     
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    Well Trump ain't one of 'em.
    He's the whiniest man-baby I've ever seen.
     
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  17. Kooky

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    That doesn't seem to be born out by observable facts.
     
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  18. Fallen Prophet

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    He's just pointing out corruption and injustice when he sees it.

    You wouldn't see it as whining if you agreed with him.
     
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    Perspective is everything.
     
  20. metis

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    Then he should actually do a LOT of introspection!
     
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