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Trump's Second Impeachment: Adoption of the Rules

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Wandering Monk, Feb 9, 2021.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    More evil...That would be a complex thing.
    Whose agenda does one favor?
    What kind of violence is worse?

    Arguments would be quite agenda laden, so
    they don't portend productivity...just apologetics.
     
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    Yeah your logic is deeply flawed mate. He did not make the evangelical faith to promote anti-Semiticism he did it to promote justification by faith. I mean why stop at just one thing Martin Luther was? To be an evangelical do I have to believe beer was a good thing, marry a nun, be German? I have feeling u are the one brushing history under the carpet friend ;)
     
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    Again evangelicals is a very broad term that could literally be applied to all protestants including super left leaning ones. I wouldn't say it was a patronising view because they would believe what we believe is the teaching of a false Messiah. I mean that's a bit condascending too isn't it? I mean I suppose it is if u take it that way, but there is an understanding amount people that we are able to disagree over these things and have discussion over them.

    Ugh I hate some Christians and there holier than thow attitude and their belief they can ascribe that level of judgment on people that's not compatible with the Bible at all. What level of percentage of Christian use Israel for Christian purposes? I'm mean im sure there are some but is this the majority?
     
  4. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane My own religion

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    So you are okay with a socialist dictatorship in effect, where if you are a white, privileged, heterosexual, Christian male, you will go to the camps or worse because you are an enemy of the people?
    And you are okay with a white racist dictatorship, where if you are non-white, poor, not heterosexual, non-Christian, would have no protection under the law, because you are not a real human?
     
  5. Revoltingest

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    Can I eschew both?
     
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    mikkel_the_dane My own religion

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    Yes, and I do it too.
    But these are the versions of the high order of "Evil" ascribe to the respectively 2 sides by the other.
    As a centrist I don't what none of them, yet I also belong to the left.

    So what is it that these 2 versions have in common? No democracy and no universal rights and laws. So the overall thread is not from one or the other of these versions. It is the thread against democracy that we can debate. And we will only do it, if you want to. :)
     
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    Left leaning ones aren't fundamentalist. Or conservative.
    No! Because Christianity only exist at all because because it appropriated and heavily distorted Judaism. They do this, claim they have the Messiah, and then get confused and upset when the Jews reject what isn't theirs.
    I don't know a percentage, but I know many want such things to see them not for the purposes of David but for the purposes of the Cross. Such as seeing as something to happen because of a Christian prophecy. Preparing things for Christi. Readying them for the end. They don't want to see this to see the Jews to prosper, they do this to be the new Romans to take over and tell the Jews what's best for them.
     
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    Everyone knows southern conservatives (Confederates) voted Demokkkrat back then.
     
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    Right although Judiasm says that a Messiah will come and Christian say they have. How have they heavily distorted it to the point is isn't possible that Jesus is the Messiah ?

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    QUOTE="Shadow Wolf, post: 7028559, t. Or conservative.[/QUOTE] I don't know a percentage, but I know many want such things to see them not for the purposes of David but for the purposes of the Cross. Such as seeing as something to happen because of a Christian prophecy. Preparing things for Christi. Readying them for the end. They don't want to see this to see the Jews to prosper, they do this to be the new Romans to take over and tell the Jews what's best for them.[/QUOTE]

    Right well honestly that isn't Christianity. Yes a few crazies might call themselves Christians and say they want x y and X but most sent like that. I think I. This day and age we have become fanicated with these wierd conspiracy theories.
     
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    Democrats have pretty much given up supporting slavery. White Supremacist Protestant s still have a ways to go.​



    You know these things, but you just could not pass up the opportunity to try to bash Democrats. So transparent.
     
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    You've misunderstood the point of my post, ie,
    that one cannot judge a group based upon origins.
    This is true for both Democrats & Lutherans, whom
    no one should insinuate to be anti-semitic.
     
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    What, specifically, did I brush under a carpet? I did not say why he founded Protestanism. I related his view on Jews. I related that others had used his teachings to kill Jews.
    If you think any of that is wrong, that give us specifics.
     
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    This is on topic here.
    How can a Jew reject Jesus as the Messiah?
     
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    Nah. Your point was to bash Democrats.

    Today's Democrats don't want a return to slavery. Can you name any?

    Proud Boys leader Terrio needed money for a criminal defense fund. How did he get it?
    Proud Boys, other fringe groups find refuge – and money – on Christian fundraising website
    He said family members had the idea to monetize the support of his online followers through GiveSendGo.com, a niche Christian fundraising website that bills itself as “a place to fund hope.” Within a week, the “Enrique Tarrio Defense Fund” had amassed more than $113,000 from 2,359 donors, according to the site. Tarrio has pleaded not guilty.

    “It’s not just Proud Boys that are raising money there,” Tarrio said in an interview Thursday, noting that his group’s chapters nationwide have used the site to fund their cause. “There’s just so many people that are raising money there.”

    A review by The Washington Post shows that the self-described Christian website has become a refuge of sorts for outcasts and extremists, including fringe groups such as the Proud Boys as well as conspiracy theorists who seek to undercut the results of the presidential election by promoting debunked claims of fraud.
     
  15. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    In the interest of civility & honesty,
    you should not misrepresent my
    posts, particularly after informing
    you of my intent.
     
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    There's legal precedent for it.
     
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    Again, attitudes toward the actions of Israel should not be conflated with attitude toward Jews.

    Hardly. Israel has systematically taken Palestinian land and discriminated against Palestinians.

    My parents fled Eastern Europe because of the Christian anti-Semitism that existed then and still exists now to some degree. My parents were not welcome in some places here in the USA because we are Jewish and they only wanted Christians.

    What does that have to do with anything? The Congressional "Republican" party is made up of liars, hypocrites and authoritarian Trump supporters with only a few exceptions who get denounced by the party in their states for not worshiping Trump.

    And now they are anti-American anti-Democracy Rethugicans. Your point?
     
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    Fair enough. I will not wade into that steeped history of politics and religion, if I can avoid it.

    How sad. Prejudice hurts. And yet it persists everywhere
     
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    To the Editor:

    The Republican defense in Donald Trump’s impeachment trial has derided the Democratic prosecution for using political theater to make its case against Mr. Trump. If the Democrats are taking lessons from Hollywood movie producers, I might suggest that the Republicans take some cues from the N.F.L.

    The team that produced Sunday’s broadcast of the Super Bowl was onto something with its cardboard cutouts in the barren pandemic crowds. Why sit through a rambling defense when a cardboard cutout would be just as effective at hearing the case against the conviction of Mr. Trump? In fact, why show up to work at all if a cardboard cutout would be just as effective passing legislation? Heck, these days it’s probably safer to send a cardboard cutout in your place to the Capitol anyway.

    Cardboard Cutout 2022!

    Will Brennan
    Girdwood, Alaska
    Opinion | Trump’s Trial and the ‘Green Eggs and Ham’ Scenario
     
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    I didn't. Are you suggesting that among your 179,000 posts there are none that bash Democrats? Your own posted words are all the evidence one needs.

    Today's Democrats don't want a return to slavery. Can you name any?

    Proud Boys leader Terrio needed money for a criminal defense fund. How did he get it?
    Proud Boys, other fringe groups find refuge – and money – on Christian fundraising website
    He said family members had the idea to monetize the support of his online followers through GiveSendGo.com, a niche Christian fundraising website that bills itself as “a place to fund hope.” Within a week, the “Enrique Tarrio Defense Fund” had amassed more than $113,000 from 2,359 donors, according to the site. Tarrio has pleaded not guilty.

    “It’s not just Proud Boys that are raising money there,” Tarrio said in an interview Thursday, noting that his group’s chapters nationwide have used the site to fund their cause. “There’s just so many people that are raising money there.”

    A review by The Washington Post shows that the self-described Christian website has become a refuge of sorts for outcasts and extremists, including fringe groups such as the Proud Boys as well as conspiracy theorists who seek to undercut the results of the presidential election by promoting debunked claims of fraud.
     
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