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Trump's Second Impeachment: Adoption of the Rules

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Wandering Monk, Feb 9, 2021.

  1. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    An unsourced photo chosen ad hoc?
    For all I know, that's you posing with some friends.
     
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    mikkel_the_dane My own religion

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    Well, the short answer is no. Only some of them are white supremacists. Just as there are some socialists, who vote for the Democrats.
    Wait. The last one is wrong. If the Democrats win, it will be worse than Venezuela. Off course not, but in general both side overdo the negatives off the other sides.
    So on to the Christians. I will sum it up at the end.
    Wide agreement that language is at the core of national identity
    Christian Nationalism Is Worse Than You Think
    Explaining the Religious Vote for Trump

    Christian nationalist are not just Christians. They are a subset of Christians, who believe that USA is in effect a Christian White nation given to these people by God.
    Here is one statistic:
    In Changing U.S. Electorate, Race and Education Remain Stark Dividing Lines

    Combine the different parts of what the make-up of Republicans are and combine with some of the previous links in other posts and you get that a part of them are white Christian nationalists.
    I don't know what a high % is, but they are there.
     
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    It all boils down to the usefulness of not treating groups
    as though the extreme elements represent the whole.
     
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    mikkel_the_dane My own religion

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    Yes, but there is more than just that, as it is not so simple. But we will stop here, unless you want to go on.
     
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    I think we've achieved detente.
     
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    Because the behaviour he is being tried for occurred while he was President.

    He was already impeached while he was still President.
     
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    Trump is the swampiest of the swamp people. He didn't drain the swamp. He filled it up and it overflowed all over the place.
     
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    Who here believes Trump will be convicted?
     
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    I don't think he will
     
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    I see that you are still parroting your savior Trump:

    "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."​
     
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    Trump was right about that. Unlike people who believe
    their own side is without sin, & the other is pure evil, he
    grokked diversity on both sides. To deny this is bigotry.
    Whooda thunk that a boor like Trump would be the one
    to actually be more tolerant than the left?
     
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    Perhaps you should listen to the presentation given by Rep. Joe Neguse to the Senate. He clearly showed all the hows and whys. It's only 25 minutes. You might learn a lot.
     
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    Trump will not get convicted for the same reason that OJ did not get convicted.
     
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    Yes indeed. The right lets us forget what the leftys do (even when they don't do).
    That's why they investigated Obama's birth certificate until forever.
    That's why they investigated Bill Clinton until he finally got caught lying about a blowjob.
    That's why they investigated Benghazi/Clinton for years.

    Your eyes are wide shut to anything the right does. You even supported the ongoing election fraud nonsense, and probably still do.
     
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    Are you referring to the Protestant denominations founded by virulent anti-Semite Martin Luther? Hmm. It's easy to brush history aside.
     
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    Like the Democratic Party being founded to defend slavery?
     
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    It has more to do with how Christians, especially fundamentalists and evangelicals, hold a very patronizing view about the Jews, including how they have the "completed version" of the what the Jews started.
    And, yes, I heard lots and lots of respectful things for the Jews when I was an Evangelical. But, there is also lots of "god punished them for this and this and this" and a strong narrative that they are often and generally not obedient towards god. This is such an issue, that despite the saying good things about "god's chosen people," some do believe the Holocaust was sent by god due to Jewish disobedience.
    As for Israel and itself, the Christian support is not support for Israel for Jews for the Jewish beliefs and traditions. It's support of Israel for Christian purposes. These are two totally different things and not at all compatible with each other.
     
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    Nah. Entirely different. This involved a schism from the Catholic church, which back then could bring about severe punishments. And it also is the beginnings of this "no true Christian" nonsense and one of the first examples of Christians (as a large, powerful, organized, and canonized religion) pointing the finger at each other, not being able to agree, and none of them being able to prove who is right.
     
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    Yeah, now let us do, which side is more evil, okay? :D
    I am serious. Are they equally good or evil, or different?
     
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    History of the Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia
    Excerpted...
    At its inception, the Democratic Party was the party of the
    "common man". It opposed the abolition of slavery.[15]

    This points out how history should not be used to
    determine a group's agenda in modern times.
     
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