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Trump's Second Impeachment: Adoption of the Rules

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Rated <Informative>.
But I saw no statistics regarding the leftish claims
that MAGAs are white supremacists, nor my claim
that MAGAs have a high percentage of Christian
nationalists.
(I perused many pages.)

Well, the short answer is no. Only some of them are white supremacists. Just as there are some socialists, who vote for the Democrats.
Wait. The last one is wrong. If the Democrats win, it will be worse than Venezuela. Off course not, but in general both side overdo the negatives off the other sides.
So on to the Christians. I will sum it up at the end.
Wide agreement that language is at the core of national identity
Christian Nationalism Is Worse Than You Think
Explaining the Religious Vote for Trump

Christian nationalist are not just Christians. They are a subset of Christians, who believe that USA is in effect a Christian White nation given to these people by God.
Here is one statistic:
In Changing U.S. Electorate, Race and Education Remain Stark Dividing Lines

Combine the different parts of what the make-up of Republicans are and combine with some of the previous links in other posts and you get that a part of them are white Christian nationalists.
I don't know what a high % is, but they are there.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, the short answer is no. Only some of them are white supremacists. Just as there are some socialists, who vote for the Democrats.
Wait. The last one is wrong. If the Democrats win, it will be worse than Venezuela. Off course not, but in general both side overdo the negatives off the other sides.
So on to the Christians. I will sum it up at the end.
Wide agreement that language is at the core of national identity
Christian Nationalism Is Worse Than You Think
Explaining the Religious Vote for Trump

Christian nationalist are not just Christians. They are a subset of Christians, who believe that USA is in effect a Christian White nation given to these people by God.
Here is one statistic:
In Changing U.S. Electorate, Race and Education Remain Stark Dividing Lines

Combine the different parts of what the make-up of Republicans are and combine with some of the previous links in other posts and you get that a part of them are white Christian nationalists.
I don't know what a high % is, but they are there.
It all boils down to the usefulness of not treating groups
as though the extreme elements represent the whole.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The bottomline is the Democrats are afraid of Trump running in 2024. This is the only reason this is happening. These actions do not follow any precedent, other than the result of the fear and rage of angry scum bags. Trump was one of the few people, not to be afraid of fake news, and the swamp criminals and hypocrites. He poked fun at them with labels like Crazy Nancy, Crooked Hillary and Sleepy Joe, all of which fit the bill.

The Democrats know that they will not be allowed to cheat in 2024, using the same levels of voter fraud as 2020. There will be too much time for the Republicans to firm up the voting rules, so voting becomes less prone to left wing fraud. The Democrats know this and also know that they're only hope is to disqualify Trump from another run, using lying, cheating, theatrics and pressure. Watch the stink that the Democrats will make, when they are required to button up all the easy fraud sources.

Trump was a nicer person to the Democrats, than they were to him, while Trump was in office. He never pushed for impeachment of Obama and Biden, for their well documented Watergate style spying crimes. Nixon only used Campaign Aids to spy on the Democrats. Biden and Obama used government resources; FBI and CIA to spy on an opposition candidate. This made Nixon crimes look like small potatoes. Bidden should have been sent to jail and disqualified in 2020, if the same swamp circus was applied to him.

The observation that nobody will go to jail for the spying was a prediction I made in 2016. The Democrats still use Watergate and spying as an example of Presidential crime, but exclude themselves when they do the spying. Nobody going to jail, appears to be due to the old adage that a good soldier does not go to jail for faithfully following orders. People like Comey and Brennan were following orders and were being good soldiers. Both were promised pardons, for their criminal actions, since it was assumed Hillary would win, and she would offer pardons if needed.

The second failed impeachment of Trump may come back to bite Obama and Biden and the Democrats, when the shoe is on other foot, after the 2022 midterms. The Democrats are already alienating voters by promising unity but acting as hypocrites and partisans. People like Pelosi and Schumer, who were up to their necks in the spying crimes of Biden and Obama, may have to testify under oath in 2022. There may be a large Democrat retirement exodus in 2022 to avoid the spectacle. Trump needs to play as dirty, against the Democrats and they do to him and clean the House and Senate of its swamp criminals.

I am good at making predictions. I predicted in 2016, that the Democrats would do whatever it took to defeat Trump, while in office, and then in 2020, since the spying and their other add-on crimes were about to be exposed. The expectation for 202o was that the swamp criminals would add even more crimes, like cheating and fraud, to win the election. Watch how this next sequence in 2022 plays out. When Trump wins in 2024, he will not be as nice to the remaining criminals, since they have shown their true colors, as being mean spirited bullies and villains. As they have done to others, so it shall be done to them.
Trump is the swampiest of the swamp people. He didn't drain the swamp. He filled it up and it overflowed all over the place.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
What I find interesting on both sides is that a few, causes others to paint a broad brush over the majority that are not anti-Jewish (on both sides)
I see that you are still parroting your savior Trump:

"Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."​
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I see that you are still parroting your savior Trump:

"Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves — and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."​
Trump was right about that. Unlike people who believe
their own side is without sin, & the other is pure evil, he
grokked diversity on both sides. To deny this is bigotry.
Whooda thunk that a boor like Trump would be the one
to actually be more tolerant than the left?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
When we ignore the what some of the left have done, plaster over all the right what just a few have done, and ignore that the right is more pro-Israel and the left more pro-Palestinian... yes!, someone has to open their eyes.

Yes indeed. The right lets us forget what the leftys do (even when they don't do).
That's why they investigated Obama's birth certificate until forever.
That's why they investigated Bill Clinton until he finally got caught lying about a blowjob.
That's why they investigated Benghazi/Clinton for years.

Your eyes are wide shut to anything the right does. You even supported the ongoing election fraud nonsense, and probably still do.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
That makes up pretty much all of the Protestant denominations. The anti Jew thing is not a major factor of our belief system
Are you referring to the Protestant denominations founded by virulent anti-Semite Martin Luther? Hmm. It's easy to brush history aside.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Are evangelical Christians in America anti-Jewish? I would say being evangelical and anti-Jewish are mutually exclusive claims. Although it wouldn't be the first time people let their hate trump consistency. From my perspective as a Christian man myself from my own personal experience and having attended Bible college and gotten a degree in theology from what many would consider a evangelical school, I only ever heard a great deal of respect being pointed at the Jewish people. Could this be the case a small minority that yell the loudest? Kinda like the regressive left from the other side of the spectrum?
It has more to do with how Christians, especially fundamentalists and evangelicals, hold a very patronizing view about the Jews, including how they have the "completed version" of the what the Jews started.
And, yes, I heard lots and lots of respectful things for the Jews when I was an Evangelical. But, there is also lots of "god punished them for this and this and this" and a strong narrative that they are often and generally not obedient towards god. This is such an issue, that despite the saying good things about "god's chosen people," some do believe the Holocaust was sent by god due to Jewish disobedience.
As for Israel and itself, the Christian support is not support for Israel for Jews for the Jewish beliefs and traditions. It's support of Israel for Christian purposes. These are two totally different things and not at all compatible with each other.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Like the Democratic Party being founded to defend slavery?
Nah. Entirely different. This involved a schism from the Catholic church, which back then could bring about severe punishments. And it also is the beginnings of this "no true Christian" nonsense and one of the first examples of Christians (as a large, powerful, organized, and canonized religion) pointing the finger at each other, not being able to agree, and none of them being able to prove who is right.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Trump was right about that. Unlike people who believe
their own side is without sin, & the other is pure evil, he
grokked diversity on both sides. To deny this is bigotry.
Whooda thunk that a boor like Trump would be the one
to actually be more tolerant than the left?

Yeah, now let us do, which side is more evil, okay? :D
I am serious. Are they equally good or evil, or different?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Nah. Entirely different. This involved a schism from the Catholic church, which back then could bring about severe punishments. And it also is the beginnings of this "no true Christian" nonsense and one of the first examples of Christians (as a large, powerful, organized, and canonized religion) pointing the finger at each other, not being able to agree, and none of them being able to prove who is right.
History of the Democratic Party (United States) - Wikipedia
Excerpted...
At its inception, the Democratic Party was the party of the
"common man". It opposed the abolition of slavery.[15]

This points out how history should not be used to
determine a group's agenda in modern times.
 
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