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Trump's rollback of vehicle emission standards

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Regiomontanus, Mar 31, 2020.

  1. Regiomontanus

    Regiomontanus retired astronomer

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    And people will actually find these rollbacks defensible.
     
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    By the way, three Republican controlled states recently -- within the last week or so -- criminalized protesting fossil fuel companies. So long freedoms of speech and assembly in Kentucky, West Virginia, and one more state (whose name I forget). Naturally, the ACLU or someone will file lawsuits, but guess what? There is a conservative majority on the Supreme Court.

    Republicans sure do love the Constitution. Great conservatives, today's Republicans. Great conservatives.
     
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    That sounds disturbing.
    What exactly has been criminalized ?
    What would be the charge ?
     
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    I'm sure their mischief would entail more than just holding signs up and chanting if it warrants criminalization.
     
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    Regiomontanus retired astronomer

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    A disturbing trend!

    'Protesters as terrorists': growing number of states turn anti-pipeline activism into a crime

    But here is some good news (get it):

    Grand Jury Refuses Felonies For Greenpeace Activists In Houston Oil Industry Protest | CleanTechnica

    I think even the current USSC might strike these laws down. :shrug:
     
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    You're right. Some people realize that these standards are probably overkill (especially since most cars today no longer burn lead, so even just regular emissions are still pretty).

    Also, if we're talking about the ethanol that people insist must be in gas, doing this basically means that if you have a lawnmower or a boat, you can expect to mess up your engine. We have a regular gas station and a non-ethanol one because alot of people have big yards here, and alot of people how houses near the docks.

    Nix to that anti-pipeline thing. I'm not in favor of arresting people for showing up in numbers, so long as they keep it peaceful.
     
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    Perusing some linked articles, it appeared to criminalize impeding energy
    production, & vandalizing. I didn't see anything about peaceful protesting
    being made illegal....although it's possible that happened somewhere.

    Btw, I'm pro-emission regulation. Those compelled to
    protest should continue, but without vandalism or violence.
     
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    The article doesn’t say anything about criminalizing protests. It says the laws criminalize things such as violence or inhibiting the operations of pipelines and other infrastructures. This is not different than restrictions on those opposing abortion clinics. And as far as the timing, that’s a red herring.

    Basically this is no story at all. It has no legs.
     
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    CNN, that figures.

    It is debatable whether the lower rate of increase in CAFE standards will have the increased emissions the article and its sources claim. By lowering the increase rate new vehicle prices will also be about $100 less. Which means more older, higher emission vehicle will be replaced sooner. Which means lower overall emissions. Obama got it wrong. He is more concerned with his “legacy” than the environment.
     
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    It says this :
    Next time try reading before commenting.
     
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    It's most odd that the article makes the claim, but provides
    no quoted text from the legislation which criminalizes
    protests, as differentiated from vandalizing & other
    interference. To criminalize political speech & its
    planning would be outrageously unconstitutional.
    I'd expect some evidence thereof.
     
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    I read it, perhaps you should. It only criminalizes the violence of the “violent protests” [sic], not the protests per se themselves. The law (not the spin interpretation of the authors) criminalizes the violence or obstruction. It makes no impingement, nor mentions protests per se.
     
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    If electric was a cheap alternative a roll back wouldn't be required




    A number of the protests have done damage and left their garbage laying around. No one but the protestors should be burdened to cover those costs.

    What laws? Did you actually read this? They were arrested for blocking a highway and road ways. Felony charges were dismissed not misdemeanors.
     
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    The standards only require more efficient fuel economy, not necessarily electric. From the article:

    "According to the rule, the standards will increase to 40.4 miles per gallon by vehicle model year 2026, about six miles per gallon fewer than the 2012 rule."


    Often, the reports on this ignore that protesters are typically eager to clean it up but are forced off the grounds. But it is true that it is ironic and terrible that protesters trash these sites despite beliefs in environmental protection.

    However, this seems like a red herring, since destruction of private property and violent protest is already a crime and the issue is about protesting pipelines. The laws aren't targeting trash cleanup.

    The irony is that violent protest appears to be the way to go (if you're white): What Trump’s latest pardon means for the future of the American West

    Critical infrastructure laws:
    New Texas pipeline protest law is about more than pipelines - Austin Monitor

    It was mentioned in the posted article.
     
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    "They were arrested and charged with a felony by the Harris County District Attorney’s Office under Texas’s controversial new anti-protest law. This week, none were indicted on this charge by a Harris County grand jury. A grand jury refused to issue felony indictments against the activists and all involved."
     
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    Quoting something which does not contain the law in question means nothing. Cite the law.
     
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    My point was about alternatives to regulating increasing costs to the consumer

    Seems ad hoc to being removed from property.


    Some of those laws do cover property damage and trespassing.

    The irony is that violent protest appears to be the way to go (if you're white): What Trump’s latest pardon means for the future of the American West [/quote]

    Read your source.





    The link within the link isn't a law.

    No it wasn't. No link to the law nor does it even name the law. It just calls it an anti-protest law which is biased framing.
     
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