Trump's latest, latest, really, really dumb thing

[Revoltingest]

What "other group's accent?"
She sounded Latina to me.

Some thought she feigned black speech.
I don't recall what she said, but if that impression
is out there, then it's best to avoid creating it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Some thought she feigned black speech.
I don't recall what she said, but if that impression
is out there, then it's best to avoid creating it.

I have to wonder what "black speech" is then. I'm fairly certain that all black people don't share the same accent.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have to wonder what "black speech" is then. I'm fairly certain that all black people don't share the same accent.

A collection of accents.
Which one she used, I don't know.

 

[SkepticThinker]

A collection of accents.
Which one she used, I don't know.

I've seen others claim that she used a "black accent."
I guess I don't see it, or I don't know what a black accent is supposed to be. Or I'm not racist or ... I don't know.

I guess if maybe she went up there and put on a Jamaican accent or a Scottish accent or something, I'd take issue with it. I don't know.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've seen others claim that she used a "black accent."
I guess I don't see it, or I don't know what a black accent is supposed to be. Or I'm not racist or ... I don't know.

I guess if maybe she went up there and put on a Jamaican accent or a Scottish accent or something, I'd take issue with it. I don't know.

A Scottish accent.....I'd personally coach her on that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

He's addressing nonsense he pulled from his derriere.

I agree he's addressing nonsense. However the derriere part is a bit of a stretch in light that he was not the originator of 'wind turbine syndrome'.

 

[Twilight Hue]

A collection of accents.
Which one she used, I don't know.

At least she didn't use "oh tay".

 

[Revoltingest]

At least she didn't use "oh tay".

She's too young to know that reference.

But you know, there is a problem with their accents.
It caused the OJ Simpson tragedy.
Son: Hey, Dad....can I borrow car to go to the movies?
OJ: Sure, son....but go ax your mother first.

 

[ecco]

A collection of accents.
Which one she used, I don't know.

Then how do you know she used one?

 

[Revoltingest]

Then how do you know she used one?

We're discussion perceptions in the larger world...the one outside of RF.

 

[oldbadger]

A naive suggestion it was, but helicopter bucket delivered water would be reasonable.
Besides, they were already spraying water on the rocks (which wouldn't have been red hot).

Sprayed water would be landing 'hot', and only reaching outer walls.

The inner walls would have cracked up for sure. Total loss.

So, no...
Not a reasonable idea.
A kind of insult to the fire and emergency specialists.
A demonstration of daftness.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sprayed water would be landing 'hot', and only reaching outer walls.

The inner walls would have cracked up for sure. Total loss.

So, no...
Not a reasonable idea.
A kind of insult to the fire and emergency specialists.
A demonstration of daftness.

You seem very committed to seeing Trump's suggestion as "daft".
"Naive" is fairer, since with the proper equipment, it looks useful.
Falling water would have minimal effect on vertical surfaces.
The stone would survive. Even if there were thermal damage,
it would be limited to spalling.
Do not argue heat transfer induced stress & fracture mechanics
with me. I'll chop you up, cook you, & serve you for lunch, fella!

 

[fantome profane]

You seem very committed to seeing Trump's suggestion as "daft".
"Naive" is fairer, since with the proper equipment, it looks useful.
Falling water would have minimal effect on vertical surfaces.
The stone would survive. Even if there were thermal damage,
it would be limited to spalling.
Do not argue heat transfer induced stress & fracture mechanics
with me. I'll chop you up, cook you, & serve you for lunch, fella!

It is not the opinion itself that is so dumb. It is the judgment that he should give advice to French firefighters and emergency workers.

Trump was not called in as a firefighting consultant, nor did he study the problem in depth.

If you are not an expert you don’t need to be constantly giving the experts advice.

 

[Revoltingest]

It is not the opinion itself that is so dumb. It is the judgment that he should give advice to French firefighters and emergency workers.
Trump was not called in as a firefighting consultant, nor did he study the problem in depth.
If you are not an expert you don’t need to be constantly giving the experts advice.

Your post comports very well with mine.
(Look at you....coming here to agree with me.)
My disagreement is with that warm beer swill'n, wrong side of
the road drive'n, powdered wig wear'n, snaggle toothed Limey.

 

[oldbadger]

Do not argue heat transfer induced stress & fracture mechanics with me. I'll chop you up, cook you, & serve you for lunch, fella!

Oh dear.......... Here it is:-
At high temperatures the strength of most stones is seriously affected and if thermal shock occurs the stone can disintegrate.

Now that is straight out of www.resrearchgate.net , but I don't need that to support such common sense.

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Gosh..... all these self proclaimed experts, eh?

I do love experts.

Now, what temperature do you think was reached within the depths of the Cathedral during that fire, and for how long?

What stone was used in the building construction?

Have there been any previous fires in the last 900 off years?

What temperature would the tons of water been on landing, especially if they had deluged the inner stonework?

Homework.... Revolting..... homework before self proclamations. Homework makes experts.

 

[metis]

Oh dear.......... Here it is:-
At high temperatures the strength of most stones is seriously affected and if thermal shock occurs the stone can disintegrate.

Now that is straight out of www.resrearchgate.net , but I don't need that to support such common sense.

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Gosh..... all these self proclaimed experts, eh?

I do love experts.

Now, what temperature do you think was reached within the depths of the Cathedral during that fire, and for how long?

What stone was used in the building construction?

Have there been any previous fires in the last 900 off years?

What temperature would the tons of water been on landing, especially if they had deluged the inner stonework?

Homework.... Revolting..... homework before self proclamations. Homework makes experts.

Yes, and I listened to a couple of people familiar with air drops, one in France and one here in the States, that said this was impossible because of the weight of the water which, like you say above, is in tons.

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh dear.......... Here it is:-
At high temperatures the strength of most stones is seriously affected and if thermal shock occurs the stone can disintegrate.

Now that is straight out of www.resrearchgate.net , but I don't need that to support such common sense.

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Gosh..... all these self proclaimed experts, eh?

I do love experts.

Now, what temperature do you think was reached within the depths of the Cathedral during that fire, and for how long?

What stone was used in the building construction?

Have there been any previous fires in the last 900 off years?

What temperature would the tons of water been on landing, especially if they had deluged the inner stonework?

Homework.... Revolting..... homework before self proclamations. Homework makes experts.

So many questions.
One might think this Gish Gallop is meaningful.
But it masks the ability of helicopter dropped water being able
to target burning wooden structure, while preserving the stone.
Sure, there could be thermal shock due to water hitting hot stone.
That is a risk with fire hoses too. But thermal shock would be
limited to the surface because contact with water would be brief.
Hence at worst spalling.

 

[oldbadger]

So many questions.
One might think this Gish Gallop is meaningful.

It's just homework, Revolting.
Homework could make you in to an expert.

But it masks the ability of helicopter dropped water being able
to target burning wooden structure, while preserving the stone.
Sure, there could be thermal shock due to water hitting hot stone.

Many years ago I learned about fire temperatures when I studied for the IWSc and comparisons between various bricks, blocks, stones, metals and (of course) wood varieties were focused upon.

Even early mankind had learned how to use heat and shock-cold to cut through enormous stones and rocks.

You are way off...... way off.

That is a risk with fire hoses too. But thermal shock would be
limited to the surface because contact with water would be brief.
Hence at worst spalling.

Fire hoses can cause surface fissures in various kinds of rock, but deluging in water which can arrive at lower temps?

Get out your chopping board, Revolting! Let's see it!

 

[Revoltingest]

Even early mankind had learned how to use heat and shock-cold to cut through enormous stones and rocks.

Not only was I already aware of this, I also know that the technique caused spalling rather than failure at depth.

Fire hoses can cause surface fissures in various kinds of rock, but deluging in water which can arrive at lower temps?

You presume a "deluge".
Familiarize yourself with the various types & sizes of helicopter buckets.
Think something more targeted & controlled than what you've imagining.

 

[fantome profane]

Your post comports very well with mine.
(Look at you....coming here to agree with me.)
My disagreement is with that warm beer swill'n, wrong side of
the road drive'n, powdered wig wear'n, snaggle toothed Limey.

I have not read this entire thread. Perhaps you can direct me to the post in which you criticized Trumps bad judgment in this matter.

This situation reminds me of the ancient proverb, better to remain silent and have the world think you a fool than to get on Twitter and remove all doubt.