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Trumps golf club hired undocumented illegal immigrants

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Riders, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. Riders

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    The referenced article says the illegal immigrants were hired after presenting bogus social security cards and green cards, and Trump National Golf Club's HR in Jersey was not required to vet worker immigration status with E-verify. So then, there was nothing illegal about the hiring practices of Trump National Golf Club.
     
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    Obviously not especially sense the state of New Jersey is filing a suit or criminal case.They must be really ignorant.
     
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    roger1440 I do stuff

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    So what. Imagine that it was President Hillary Clinton in the same situation. I'll bet every dollar I have that the right would explode with indignation and demands that they "lock her up" because "she should have known" etc.
     
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    But don’t you want to hear what he has to say about this? Should he be questioned about this?
     
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    Isn't the question whether you think that's right, though?
    Otherwise you're purely being reactionary.
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    They would.
    And then all would lose interest in the faux controversy.
    This too will happen with Trump.
    (There are always bigger & newer fish to fry.)

    I'm not saying it's right....just what happens.
     
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    At some point the U.S. is going to have to be honest about immigration. The problem with your immigration policy is not that it is too strict, or to generous. The problem is that it is based on self-deception. Everybody knows that your labour force requires illegal immigrants, and everybody pretends it doesn’t.

    If the right wants to continue scoring points by demonizing immigrants, at some point they are going to be forced to deal with this reality.
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    Hey, don't blame me...it's not my policy.
    No one ever called me to even ask my opinion.
    You don't understand us.
    Some think we need a lot of foreign labor.
    Some think we don't.
    And some even oppose letting illegals work at all here....but
    want our social safety net (weak though it be) to support them.
    They're not all the same people.

    If I had my way, we'd have a policy more like Canuckistan's.
    Base it upon merit.
    Let in a few persecuted souls.
    Make it well defined & efficient.
     
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    At least some of Trump's companies have hired undocumented aliens before, so what's new. Donald is rather well known for talking-the-talk but not getting around to walking-the-walk, as basically he's the Con-Artist-In-Chief.
     
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    Some people think the world is flat, some people think it is more roundish. Some people think climate change is a serious problem, some people think it is a hoax by the Chinese. Some people are right, and some people are wrong. I know that might seem harsh in this era of alternative facts and counter narratives, but some things are true and some things are not.

    Now before you accuse me again of setting myself up as the grand arbitrator of truth, that is not what I am doing. But nor will I accept the nonsense that all opinions are equal. They just aren’t.
     
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    Considering the high degree of illegal hiring in the construction business, this is highly unlikely to be a first for Trump & Co.
    Tom
     
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    I know you're aiming for the "false equivalency" argument.
    But it doesn't even remotely apply.
    The point is to not lump all people into a single group sharing all beliefs.
     
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    It is highly unlikely that Trump personally oversees the hiring in any of his companies. Why would anyone think this was a big deal (other than the amusing optics)? I don't get it. If Trump wanted to get behind this, he could always have the person who hired the undocumented workers fired.
     
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    Revoltingest Ignorant Heathen Libertarian Capitalist
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    TDS is justified.
    OCDS is not.

    That's the difference
     
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    As a second generation American, I measure all policies against what would have happened to my father and mother under them. They were fleeing Russia for the same reasons that many are fleeing in South America today. They were let in under very open immigration policies, worked hard and made a decent life for themselves and me. Their friends who also came in under those circumstances did the same.

    They had to pass a health check at Ellis Island and a pretty perfunctory review including the ability to support themselves to be allowed in.

    I would add a bit of checking in today's world - check against known terrorists or membership in terrorist organizations to that check.

    That's what I favor today.
     
  19. sun rise

    sun rise "Love pours forth from the heart of the universe."
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    Besides, at least for Christians, this should carry some weight:

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    The state of New Jersey can't prove Trump knew his business was employing illegal immigrants. Fortunately, the POTUS has loyal and dedicated fall guys to take the blame away from the President. Honestly, I've hired Mexican roofers whom I'm not sure were legal immigrant workers. Anyways, how can we always be sure our cooks, maids, gardeners or maintenance workers are legal immigrants?
     
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