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Trump's Conviction and the 6th Amendment.

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Don't forget there's an appeal process, which means the final word hasn't been spoken on the case yet.
In what I write next, I am speaking only for Canada, but there's really not that much difference between us and the U.S.

Appeal Court judges have the authority to uphold, reverse, or modify the trial decision. The appeal judge may also order a new trial. However, an appeal judge is required to show deference to the trial decision, and cannot allow an appeal simply because he or she views the evidence differently than the lower court did.

Thus, an Appeal Court would not overturn a jury decision merely because they think the jury should have voted other than they did. And if the Appeal Court finds that the judge erred in instructing the jury, or in some other way, it would routinely order a new trial -- again by jury. Sometimes appeal courts find that the judge erred in sentencing, and may modify the sentence without touching on the finding of guilt by the jury.
 

McBell

Unbound
Did the court itself send you the transcript directly?

Keep learning to tell the difference.
No, but you can skip over the link the media provides, go straight to the courts website and access it there directly from the court with out any middle man (media, RF, or otherwise)

So it appears to me, that it is you who has the learning to do on this particular sub-topic
 

McBell

Unbound
Only if you are not bright enough to go0 beyond your foxes and friends.
nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf

They publish this stuff directly online for you to read.
At this point, the court should prepare it in physical book form and sell it.
Bet they make a killing.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Only if you are not bright enough to go0 beyond your foxes and friends.
nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/press/PDFs/People%20v.%20DJT%20Jury%20Instructions%20and%20Charges%20FINAL%205-23-24.pdf

They publish this stuff directly online for you to read.
Funny on how that it's rarely used.

Maybe skip the media the next time?
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Did the court itself send you the transcript directly?

Keep learning to tell the difference.
You still haven't learned the first rule of holes.
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But maybe some day you will.
 

McBell

Unbound
At this point, the court should prepare it in physical book form and sell it.
Bet they make a killing.
They could call it "The Most Relevant Trump Book 2024"

and then we make everyone provide the relevant page number from the book any time the trial is mentioned.
No page number provided, they are simply dismissed with prejudice.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
They could call it "The Most Relevant Trump Book 2024"

and then we make everyone provide the relevant page number from the book any time the trial is mentioned.
No page number provided, they are simply dismissed with prejudice.
Can we dismiss them with extreme prejudice if Trump gets elected? I'm sure legalizing it would be one of his first executive orders.
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Nice personal attack.

Moving forward myself and have a good day.
It is only appropriate considering your insistence that the publicly available product of the courts is not available and then repeating the claim.

ETA When provided you a direct link to the NYS website responsible for providing this information, Yes, I requested it using HTTP and TIP and whatever other protocols are currently involved in internet communications and as with those protocols and as there is no restriction involved, it was delivered to me on my computer directly.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
Many are clearly regretting not supporting him in the first place, as evidenced by all the new support he's been getting ever since the verdict.
He's like Obi Wan Kenobi. Strike him down and he becomes more powerful.
Yet they can’t articulate why they support a criminal candidate. More victims of rights wing disinformation.

Trump forever! 2024 and beyond!!!
Reminds me of the Nazis who maintained their devotion to Hitler after he died. A dangerous mind set that must be monitored.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Can you give us a possible argument that Trump could use?
Off the top of my head, the jury was biased by excessive news coverage and the trial should have had a change of venue to an area where the voters are more evenly mixed. Defense counsel required direction from the judge during cross of Stormy Daniels, and were therefore incompetent. The gag order that still allowed Cohen to attack while being shielded from rebuttal unfairly biased the jury. It wasn't him, it was the one-armed man.

The fact is that if this was me, or you, we wouldn't be discussing jail time. I hate Trump like fire, but an appeal can be had for any minor procedural interpretation. Unless his counsel are truly, fundamentally stupid, he'll be successful on appeal.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Off the top of my head, the jury was biased by excessive news coverage and the trial should have had a change of venue to an area where the voters are more evenly mixed. Defense counsel required direction from the judge during cross of Stormy Daniels, and were therefore incompetent. The gag order that still allowed Cohen to attack while being shielded from rebuttal unfairly biased the jury. It wasn't him, it was the one-armed man.

The fact is that if this was me, or you, we wouldn't be discussing jail time. I hate Trump like fire, but an appeal can be had for any minor procedural interpretation. Unless his counsel are truly, fundamentally stupid, he'll be successful on appeal.
I do not think that the "incompetent council" claim would work. Trump has plenty of money and he can afford competent council. Also it appears that some of the screw ups were due to Trump telling them what to do. His council would be asked probing questions like that and if their incompetence was at all due to Trump that would fail.

Cohen actually shut up voluntarily rather early into the trial. And Trump had already violated his order several times at that point. In fact Cohen remained quiet even when Trump attacked him. The only comment about him that really got out was the Baron Von Schizzenpants one. The change of venue demand might work. Of course Trump lied about how badly he lost in that area, it was still pretty significant.

As to Trump I would lean not to putting him in jail, except perhaps for a few days for his constantly breaking the gag order. Two reasons, one for the a first time offense, a jail sentence is usually not recommended, though Trump has not shown proper contrition for his acts so he might put himself in jail. But as far as the gag order, that should not have even been necessary in the first place. And jail for his constant violation of it would make it easier for the next judge to do the same to him if necessary.
 
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