Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
And why does that matter?
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Trump will be reelected
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Same reason David Duke matters apparently.
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
You brought it up first, so I was wondering if you had a reason to.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yeah. They were explicit as to why they were voting since they didn't run their own candidate since the 80s and mentiond the similarities and likenesses of the philosophy of Communists with Democrats that's Sanders held through his own political ideals and views.
I don't know if David Duke ever headed any political leadership position, had an actual presidential run, office, or presented a candidate representing his own disposition and views in an actual election from a party outside the Republicans and Democrats.
Trump first, you mean.
No we don't.
Clinton won by millions of votes.
What we have is the product of an appointment system designed to protect the interests of the very rich and disenfranchise the rest.
Tom
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Yeah, he's just an ex-Klan Grand Wizard and white supremacist who thought Trump was great for his movement and promoted him. That's not as bad, right?
The world is going to ****. Thanks for the reminder with your surreal reply.
So was Larry Byrd , Hillary Clinton's mentor who you conveniently left out like that doesn't matter, but somehow David Duke does.
Perhaps it's better to put it in terms that David Duke didn't have any established political party outside the Democrats and Republicans and put their own candidates on the ballot as it is with the Communist Party of the USA, by which its leadership willingly backs Sanders as someone who actively shares communist ideologies and likely would use the power of government to bring it about.
David Duke is irrelevant because his words don't carry any real weight, nor does he have anything active of his own going on like creating a political party of the Confederacy, and later endorse the Republicans as they got behind Trump.
The Communist Party does have real weight, and clearly is a major player on the world stage.
What would be surreal to me would be ignoring that.
What I was doing is pointing out your hypocrisy by you trying to paint Sanders and the Dems as a bunch of wild eyed dangerous extremists due to a communist saying he voted for him. But you awkwardly brush off the fact that Trump has plenty of extremists who voted for him. There's fringe people supporting candidates from both parties but you want to ignore the Republican loons. Too inconvenient for you? You also seem to think communism is worse than white supremacy. Your "who cares" attitude towards it is kind of offensive.
No, the Communist Party in America is not a "major player in the world stage". What la-la land are you living in? They're a fringe group with no hope of success.
The Communist Party USA hasn't run candidates in Presidential Elections since 1984.
Whilst somewhat encouraged by Sanders campaign, the CPUSA essentially Backed Clinton in 2016, calling for a landslide against Trump and agreeing that Sanders was right to endorse Clinton to prevent a split in the Democratic Vote. But comparing the Democrats and the Communists is essentially the same thing as this guy...
The CPUSA has about 5,000 members, after a 600 new members joined when Trump won. As the CPUSA didn't stand in the 2016 election, the Far-Left vote centred round Gloria La Riva of the Party for Socialism and Liberation, raising $29,243 in campaign funds and spending $24,207. They got 74,401 votes in the 2016 US Election with 0.05% of the vote, coming 12th place in national polling behind, with a tenth of the support to Evan McMullin who by comparision got 731,991 votes, raised $1,644,102 and spent $1,642,165 and came 10th place.
To put it another way, the PSL raised less the median wage of a single African American household (of $30,134 in 2004) for a Presidential campaign. The CPUSA wouldn't do much better. Deez Nuts, a 15 year old kid running for President probably could raise more than that and got 9% in North Carolina in public polling. Last time I checked, Deez Nuts is not a "player on the world stage".
America has essentially ignored the Communist Party since failed attempt to ban the Party in 1954 when 1,500 of the Party's members were FBI informants and J. Edgar Hoover said: "If it were not for me there would not be a Communist Party of the United States. Because I've financed the Communist Party, in order to know what they are doing". So, if something is going on in the CPUSA, I'm sure the FBI can handle it.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Actually I put, communism on the same level as any fringe elements out there including supremacist groups.
You need to educate yourself to the fact that communism is a major player on the world stage as it is an active and extremely dangerous political ideology that has been embraced by entire governments. If you want to think it's La La Land and non-existent or irrelevant, go right ahead and swim in your own particular ignorance or denial.
Whichever may apply.
Take your pick.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm talking about the Communist movement in America. It's not a major player here. By the way, your whole post can be turned around against you since white supremacy has been embrace by entire governments around the world. You need to think your posts through more.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Why? Is there a party of the Confederacy outside of Democrats and Republicans?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Are they a recognized and registered Party in the USA like the Communists?
I'm not sure why you think that's so important. There's dozens and dozens of small third parties in America that are registered but hold no power and don't have a hope to. I didn't mention one group in particular, either. You seem to have ignored @Laika 's post about how little reach they have, as well.
Rational Agnostic
Well-Known Member
It's hard to say. He may or may not be, but I would agree that it is likely that he will be, primarily because the Democrats can't produce any competitive candidates. Unless someone other than Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton can win the nomination, Trump will probably win again.
Shad
Veteran Member
No it was designed to grant more power to the minority than a typical minority has in a demoracy. It was also designed based on the concept of sovereign states in a union aka Federal government.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Fair enough........ so the USA has a rubbish electoral system. What can I say?
Woberts
The Perfumed Seneschal
Realistically, we're probably somewhere in between those two extremes. Leaning towards "world power", but that's worldwide. In America, we're leaning hard to the "no power" area.